AA not happy we're getting off speed camera fines.

[swbarnett]

You might be alright over the speed limit but dont forget everyone else irrespective of ability will be thinling the same that they are ok over the limit too and if you dont believe more accidents will happen as a result you live in a cocoon.

Oh FFS! You're one of those closed-minded fuckwits that thinks we all think the same. I've got news for you - we don't. There is a whole world of variety out there that you will never appreciate.

Remove speed limits (or even just enforcement) and you will not get a sudden rush of incompetant speeders. I lived through the days of the Traffic Safety Service. Enforcement was at it's lowest because the guy in charge believed that speed was not the be all and end all of road safety. We didn't suddenly all start rushing around at 200kph then so why would now be any different?

[swbarnett]

To blame the roads is a cop out and I bet those countries that have better roads have a far higher registration charge than ours to pay for them.

No, they have a higher population density. IIRC, NZ has among the highest length of road per capita in the world. It's no wonder they're not all as shiny as the German Autobahn.

[v twin]

If you ride a road bike and an adventure bike on earthquake damaged roads you will notice an improvement with an adventure bike. You will never understand otherwise. You need the hammer yourself!!

I really don't know why I'm bothering with this but... if you were riding a sports bike And hit the brakes you would be stopped before the adventure bikes forks had even stopped compressing. I rode an rsvr on the worst single lane country roads for years and it was sweet, your adventure bike would be more comfortable though....

I believe speed is fine, it's the upbringing of people around bikes that could do with a tune.
Some mates an I had blast through Europe once, the French know how to look after bikes on the roads. Turn signals from everyone when changing lanes all the time, people looking in mirrors, drivers of all vehicles anticipating movements and cars happily pulling out of your way.
Couldn't be more different here, I have had car drivers actually pull out on me to stop me passing.

I have Had a few big offs early on on bikes, mostly my fault to be fair and I know what went wrong but have been clean for years now. It's a skill thing, I didn't slow down, I got faster.but I also got better at the road skills and dick head radar...
Sorry Cassinia, don't want to jump on the band wagon but you are totally blinkered in your view.
Maybe correct in a small portion but you just don't seem to see the complexity of what you are arguing, only repeating the same shit. I would be mildly encouraged if you even took on some of the views here but noooooo....are you doing this a a wind up?

[v twin]

I actually exceed the speed limit like you guys but most likely by not as much but like I said just because you believe you are safe at high speed so will everyone else think the same irrespective of experience. Why do you not see that as a recipie for disaster if speed policing was done away with?

I am happy with a level,of enforcement, just not 100kph and 4% buffer.....I can honestly say I have had more 'moments' on bike and in car only because I have lost focus due to an inappropriate speed limit

Edit, or just plain shit driving

[swbarnett]

Have never heard of the Traffic Safety Service

It's what the MOT called themselves for a short time before they got merged into the police.

so maybe you are thinking of another country where the fines were greater than NZ and if that was the case that would explain why people stayed within the law despite less policing.

1. Larger fines will likely not slow people down, just increase the number of runners.
2. I said - "We didn't suddenly all start rushing around at 200kph". We didn't all suddenly become forlock tugging angels either.

If you want no speed limits you would be better going and living in a country without them as it will never happen in NZ

Likely true in our lifetime. Although stranger things have happened.

due to the number of crashes already happening here.

Wrong. It's due to pig-headed bureaucrats that can't see past their own twisted statistics to something that actually stands a chance of reducing the very thing that they're afraid of.

[onearmedbandit]

Have never heard of the Traffic Safety Service so maybe you are thinking of another country.

A quick google of that term brings up a numbder of results. Maybe you should consider you don't know it all.

http://tdg.co.nz/40th-anniversary/tr...ealand-police/

[swbarnett]

like I said just because you believe you are safe at high speed so will everyone else think the same irrespective of experience. Why do you not see that as a recipie for disaster if speed policing was done away with?

Do you honestly think that the drivers I follow that are currently doing 80kph on the open road are suddenly going to shoot off like a rocket? They've found their optimal speed and so will everyone else. Yes, some will get it wrong and come to grief but most people will just settle into a speed they're comfortable with (some slower, some faster) and we will all be much better off for it.

[T.W.R]

I dont know where you live but the chance of getting caught by a cop was far greater in ChCh in the days of the MOT as there used to be far more motorbike cops than there is today. They would hide in a side street and follow motorcyclists going past while positioning themselves as far to the left of the road so as to try and not be seen in the mirrors of the motorbike.

Did the MOT really advertise they were no longer going to police speed in your day? I would love to see the advertising or perhaps you were friends with a cop at the time who was happy to get mates off any prosecution.

HOLY SHIT!
Christ you get fucking worse!
My oldman was & half his mates were MOT and on the patrol bikes and you are full of shit and just spewing it out your pie hole
You're fucking delusional

[Bass]

You're fucking delusional

Reading carefully between the lines leads me to suspect that he is actually a very skilful troll.

[T.W.R]

So it was the old man and his mates that turned a blind eye to your speeding then and not MOT policy to not police speeding? You are the fucken delusional one.

Oh you fuckin queer cunt!
For what its worth I got raked over the coals by the oldman & co in the early part of my motorcycling & what made it worse when dad left the MOT he started a driving school which as a point of fact was one of the most prominent & successful in ChCh so I got grilled with everything I did.

You should fuckin grow a set and say something like that to my face.....coz I'm primed to rip you to bits

[T.W.R]

So if you agree with me that the MOT were tough in their day what are you on about then saying I am full of shit? Or maybe you got me confused with the other poster that said the Traffic Safety Service did not police speed limits. I think he is the delusional one you are thinking of.

I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire let alone agree with any of the tripe the eminates from the void between your ears!

[onearmedbandit]

Reading carefully between the lines leads me to suspect that he is actually a very skilful troll.

You know what, I think you may be right. No one can be that delusional.

[Grumph]

Just put the prick on ignore - it's much better for the blood pressure.

[Voltaire]

Just put the prick on ignore - it's much better for the blood pressure.

On the contrary, I don't put anyone on ignore just skip over bits I can't be arsed with. Good practice is that USA Israel thread

with the master of drivel.

I imagine Cassina is in his 60's, Wife runs the house and the guys at the Bowling Club are tired of listening to him.

Probably listens to Mike Hoskings, watches Coronation St and drinks the cheapest beer at the supermarket.

[Jeff Sichoe]

hey what's wrong with the cheapest beer in the supermarket jeez