RUC Petition for Motorcyclists

[swbarnett]

Fixed for accuracy.

You read between the lines. Yes, that matches the intent of that statement.

[russd7]

So you dont call the difference between car and motorcycle ACC as being discriminating? Your thinking is flawed then just like ACCs. You dont work for them by any chance?

for fucks sake, ACC has been discriminatory for years, for example, a farmer pays considerably higher employer levies to acc than an office or retail employer, and that is based wholly on risk and cost of injuries and that has been done for more than 20yrs. the differentiation towards motorcyclists is just the latest discrimination. would you prefer we go to a private insurance system, those from countries where that is done may be able to enlighten us on what that may cost

[jasonu]

My idea has nothing to do with charging more for future accidents that have not happened thats something you have dreamed up. If they have an "at fault" history and continue to have at fault accidents their premiums will go up though. Lets not forget ACC put charges up in the first place due to a large number of motorcyclists crashing and they continue to crash in large numbers so they will have another excuse to put charges up even higher unless they do a shift from blaming the mode of transport to the person at fault.

But what about the funny accidents?

[russd7]

taken from the ACC website
"1967: Woodhouse Commission recommendations
The Woodhouse Commission recommends a ‘no-fault’ accident compensation scheme
In 1967, as a result of complaints about the inadequacy of workers’ compensation benefits, a Royal Commission was established to report on workers’ compensation. The commission produced the well-known Woodhouse Report, named for its chairman Mr Justice Woodhouse (now the Right Honourable Sir Owen Woodhouse).

The report recommended a completely new ‘no-fault’ approach to compensation for personal injury. It recommended a scheme to cover:

all motor vehicle injuries, funded by a levy on owners of motor vehicles and drivers
all injuries to earners whether occurring at work or not, funded by a flat-rate levy on employers for the cost of all injuries to their employees. A levy on the self-employed to pay for injuries occurring at work or outside of work was also proposed.
Employers would have to pay a compulsory levy for injuries to employees, but they would also be protected from being sued for damages. The right to sue for motor vehicle injuries and non-work injuries to earners would also be removed.

The report recommended that the scheme be based on five basic principles:

Community responsibility
Comprehensive entitlement
Complete rehabilitation
Real compensation
Administrative efficiency."

[russd7]

The "On Hold" system was instigated to restore / rebuild vehicles and still keep them in the system. Not as a method to avoid/reduce registration costs.

ya might find it was actually designed to stop people from not registering their vehicles for a couple of years then registering it before the plates died. I know that in your sheltered world you may not have been aware that such things would happen but they did.
where i grew up it was quite common to have vehicles on the road not licenced, it was even common in the earlier days to have reg stickers and warrants stolen off bikes to make other vehicles appear legal, hence the reason none of my warrants are visible on my bikes and i have never had an issue with cops as long as i can show them

[flashg]

ya might find it was actually designed to stop people from not registering their vehicles for a couple of years then registering it before the plates died. I know that in your sheltered world you may not have been aware that such things would happen but they did.
where i grew up it was quite common to have vehicles on the road not licenced, it was even common in the earlier days to have reg stickers and warrants stolen off bikes to make other vehicles appear legal, hence the reason none of my warrants are visible on my bikes and i have never had an issue with cops as long as i can show them

And if you park the bike and are not there to show your warrant, The lovely parking warden will issue you a parking infringement for "not displaying a current WOF"
Just saying

[FJRider]

ya might find it was actually designed to stop people from not registering their vehicles for a couple of years then registering it before the plates died. I know that in your sheltered world you may not have been aware that such things would happen but they did.
where i grew up it was quite common to have vehicles on the road not licenced, it was even common in the earlier days to have reg stickers and warrants stolen off bikes to make other vehicles appear legal, hence the reason none of my warrants are visible on my bikes and i have never had an issue with cops as long as i can show them

To do that required payment for the full period it was unregistered ... unless you changed ownership and left the unpaid fee to the "previous" owner. Or just getting new plates while it was still in the system.

People still dont register for aq few years ... and the modern system allows police to acess vehicle records before they stop you ... or get out of their car. Free replacement of rego and Wof labels make life easy now. No need (or point) to hide them. But if the paranoid pricks feel the need ... who am I to argue. Even a half-wit parking Hitler can see labels are for a wrong bike or "Not Displayed".
The fines are for not displaying ... as opposed to not having ... the appropriate labels.

[FJRider]

The report recommended that the scheme be based on five basic principles:

Community responsibility
Comprehensive entitlement
Complete rehabilitation
Real compensation
Administrative efficiency."

1. Community responsibility ... ACC beneficiary is now a common listed "occupation" in many community's ...

2. The sense of entitlement is greater for some ...

3. But no realistic time frame for this all to happen. And a Dr's signature on a form gets you more time off ... Refer to "Sense of entitlement" ...

4. Real money but few can agree they are getting fair compensation for their injuries .... Refer to "Sense of entitlement" ...

5. A bad joke at best. Three months after your accident you might start to get money. Many Acc offices have security guards at their door too ...

[FJRider]

Registrations and WOFs could still be stolen off bikes today as parking wardens would be only likely to check the date is current.

He comes from Riverton. There are NO parking wardens there.

[FJRider]

But what about the funny accidents?

The hysterical accidents you mean ..

[russd7]

And if you park the bike and are not there to show your warrant, The lovely parking warden will issue you a parking infringement for "not displaying a current WOF"
Just saying

aware of that but a lot of times can be parked in such a manner as to make it difficult to even see the back of bike, if i start getting pinged for this then i may change but a lot of bikes have warrants tucked in behind number plates anyway,

[russd7]

To do that required payment for the full period it was unregistered ... unless you changed ownership and left the unpaid fee to the "previous" owner. Or just getting new plates while it was still in the system.

People still dont register for aq few years ... and the modern system allows police to acess vehicle records before they stop you ... or get out of their car. Free replacement of rego and Wof labels make life easy now. No need (or point) to hide them. But if the paranoid pricks feel the need ... who am I to argue. Even a half-wit parking Hitler can see labels are for a wrong bike or "Not Displayed".
The fines are for not displaying ... as opposed to not having ... the appropriate labels.

you can be a twat at times, you wind up to easily, as for the the reg and warrant comment i did say back in the day and the reason i still keep the warrants out of the way is its easier and those pathetic licence holders they have don't protect the warrant very well and the police and traffic have been able to have that info before stopping for years, even back in the early eighties they would get out of their cars already knowing my name and address and the ownership of the vehicle.

just out of curiosity, have you always lived in central otago

[russd7]

He comes from Riverton. There are NO parking wardens there.

actually, i don't "come from riverton", i come from me dear old mum, god rest her soul, I have only lived in Riverton for just over a year, but your assumption is correct, we do not have parking wardens in Riverton tho why that would matter when Im out and about on my bike i really have no idea, i tend to ride my bike for more than a few meters at a time so therefor the only time my bike is parked anywhere in Riverton is when Im fueling up or when Im at home and i wasn't aware that parking wardens did house calls.

[granstar]

Well she does, (but only in Riverton), i'll send her around


"you can be a twat at times", er there's two of us.

[zwies]

What about a levvy on your drivers license rather than your vehicles. You can only drive/ride one at a time. And its you that is covered. Not what you are using at the time.

Levvy based on vehicle classes held. For private vehicles at least.

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