RUC Petition for Motorcyclists

[flashg]

If everyone thinks it would be cheaper, coming up with these ideas, think again.
The fact is we cost X amount to repair no matter who's at fault.
ACC aren't going to make things cheaper and lose more money. They would like us to pay more not less.
If we keep stirring things up, it could bite us on the arse and end up paying the true cost.
Also the more bikes on hold, the less they get. Good chance of it going up more to get whats needed.
I don't like paying so much, but let sleeping dogs lie. I won't be signing anything.
PS- Thats no invitation for Cassina to crash into them...................... "sleeping dogs"

[Berries]

So you agree with me then being able to buy registration for a day/s online would be a good idea?

No.

The cost would have to be adjusted to reflect the fact that someone who rides one day a year is more at risk of a crash on that particular day than someone would be on the same day but who rode every day of the year, ie the risk is clearly not 1/365. And if you are going to adjust the levy based on the recent/relevant riding experience component then you have to adjust based on exposure - both km travelled and where. This tips things the other way and then you have to take in to account actual history of claims and offences etc etc. If the one day chosen to ride is a weekend should it cost more than a weekday? Should there be a daylight only fee to reflect the increased risk of riding at night? Should you be forced to stop if it rains because you only paid for the risk involved in a dry day ride?

It is an unworkable and unnecessary solution. If those who only ride on a few days a year think the levy is too much then they should piss off and get a car.

IMHO.

[Akzle]

The problem with some on here is that they use words without knowing what they mean...

Rego is a total misnomer - we register a bike once when it is put on the road for the first time or it is re-registered if the original registration has lapsed. Whereas "rego" is an Australian expression they use for their annual fee to use a vehicle on the road - yes, I know NZTA use the expression rego but I think they do so within quotes - could be wrong on that. We "licence" a vehicle for road use and the annual licence for a bike is about $25 per annum - $25 divided by 365 = 6.8 cents a day.

What the "RUC" concept that has been proposed is for the ACC levy that is attached to the annual licence fee and other fees as a method of collecting it.

So those who are rabbiting on about dividing the "rego" into daily bits really need to sit down and think about what they are saying....

Pedantic rant over...

Well, for the meantime it is.

well actually

it's continuous vehicle licensing

look up the legal definition of any of that shit at your leisure.
i've said it all before and all you KB-faggots™ were like "you should pay some shit you bludger" and i was all liek "why" and they were all liek "derp derp, we cheat the system by putting shit on hold but that's cool. cos you definitely need to fill out forms and give them jewgolds sometimes cos my dad said so"

and i was all liek "wtf"

You can kind of do that now. Think you're supposed to wait 3 moths between each time you do it, unless you know someone at the post office.

fuck me, the post office stilll exists?? what the fuck do they DO all day?

It is an unworkable and unnecessary solution. If those who only ride on a few days a year think the levy is too much then they should piss off and get a car.

i can think of a better solution

[Zedder]

If everyone thinks it would be cheaper, coming up with these ideas, think again.
The fact is we cost X amount to repair no matter who's at fault.
ACC aren't going to make things cheaper and lose more money. They would like us to pay more not less.
If we keep stirring things up, it could bite us on the arse and end up paying the true cost.
Also the more bikes on hold, the less they get. Good chance of it going up more to get whats needed.
I don't like paying so much, but let sleeping dogs lie. I won't be signing anything.
PS- Thats no invitation for Cassina to crash into them...................... "sleeping dogs"

Yep, the big picture is the cost of getting crash victims sorted long term which comes from the many ACC revenue streams. Although, they have chucked some of us a bone with the reductions to the motor vehicle account plus work and earners levies etc.

I do however admit to bemusement on how they have $35 billion of funds under management and the system is fully self funded, yet they still lost $3.4 billion recently. Apparently it was due to "low interest rates"...

[Moi]

well actually

it's continuous vehicle licensing

I'd suggest that we pay a "licence fee" each year to both maintain the continuous vehicle licence for our vehicle and to use our vehicle on the road system...


However, if a few stop calling it "rego" - a bloody Australian-ism - and actually call it licencing then we might have achieved something - not sure quite what, but something...

[Moi]

... If those on high incomes were the minority and not the majority that would have helped get changes made maybe.

Define "high income"...

[R650R]

another point... you can get compliance/warning for no rego if you know how to swallow....
BUT fail to display or buy RUC is ALWAYS a fine.

And setting up a new system means paying/training new workers to administer it plus branding and publicity costs, all of which will be fronted up by you the biker. Just look at the disaters some recent online payment systems for bus tickets and other govt things have been.... With our luck it would be handled by some Nevapay type broken arse computer system.....

[Berries]

I said nothing about riding one day a year and if you only wanted to ride 1 day a year motorcycle ownership would be uneconomic anyway.

Do you have to be so literal? It was an example so you could understand.




10 seconds to PD because I had the wrong attitude.

[Drew]

You can buy registration online but you have to wait for an offical label to arrive in the mail rather than being able to print one out on your computer like you can with a concert ticket. The 3 month wait would need to be waivered for it to be beneficial too.

There is too much divison among motorcyclists for them to feel any desire to change anything. They only need to read the posts on here to see that. If those on high incomes were the minority and not the majority that would have helped get changes made maybe.

Online doesn't give the option of less than 3 months.

[Drew]

I know it would take a change to allow it. The division among motorcyclists about what changes they would like means nothing will change anyway. ACC has won and they know it. According to one poster on here if they were to allow only a few days at a time they would have to vary the cost depending on riding ability and day of the week/year for it to work. That would have to be the most loopy comment I have ever read on here but the beuocracy of the govt would love it I guess,

I'm pretty sure you still have the title for loopiest comment ever on KB. But I digress.

I think what he said was that if a rider only uses a bike once a year, they present a bigger hazard than one who rides often. Meaning that your idea is fundamentally flawed.

You're right about riders not being able to agree on anything though. Which is the same with any large volume of people no matter what. It's the reason that we have government, and elected representitives in nearly all walks of life.

[Berries]

I think what he said was that if a rider only uses a bike once a year, they present a bigger hazard than one who rides often. Meaning that your idea is fundamentally flawed.

Although it was a hypothetical example to make it easier to understand I see I failed with certain people so thank you.

According to one poster on here if they were to allow only a few days at a time they would have to vary the cost depending on riding ability and day of the week/year for it to work. That would have to be the most loopy comment I have ever read on here but the beuocracy of the govt would love it I guess,

[onearmedbandit]

I have read on here over a year ago that it is possible to register for 1 day a year by going into the post office and filling out a special form and if it was so dangerous to only ride 1 day a year they would not allow 1 day registrations I would have thought.

Yet again you astound.

[Drew]

I have read on here over a year ago that it is possible to register for 1 day a year by going into the post office and filling out a special form and if it was so dangerous to only ride 1 day a year they would not allow 1 day registrations I would have thought. In the media I have read its the guys who have a 10 year or more gap from riding that are the most risky when they return. Someone may post to confirm if its correct you can get a one day registration by going into the post office. I would think if it can be done in the post office being able to do it online would also be feasable as so much else can now be bought online.

The required form (MR31A) cannot be done online.

[Drew]

I never said it could be done online at the moment but the technology would be there to do it most likely considering many other purchases can be made on line.

I dunno that people printing their own licence labels is a great idea.

[aprilia_RS250]

A RUC type licence would suit people who have +2 bikes or don't ride many miles which I assume would easily be a majority of NZ motorcyclists. I would more than welcome it if priced correctly.