New crash study.

[pritch]

Wot? Nothing about riders crashing while under pressure to keep up?

[Bass]

Wot? Nothing about riders crashing while under pressure to keep up?

Nah. Quarter were sheilas and over 40% were on crusiers. Did well to keep crashes down to 30.

[SVboy]

Those on here that make cornering out to be highly technical would be doing so on the assumption the road and traffic conditions are ideal.

Do you read what you post? Can you read what you post? What is the relationship between road and traffic conditions and taking a skilled and technical approach to cornering? Your flat earth approach may work for you on the mighty Honda Africa, just dont offer advice on subjects you clearly no nothing about. Good thing you were not part of the sample......

[Zedder]

Good thing you were not part of the sample......

It would need to be a completely separate study with causes like: Dog ran out, foot down in corner etc.

[AllanB]

I should put this in rant and rave but it was another website I shut down due to slow loading due to fucking advertising.

I possibly missed a valid report - OK I read it was American so figured 50% did not apply to me as NZ has actual corners.

Still from the above 30% rider induced accidents in corners? Probably valid.


I put a new battery in the XR6 today - 25% off at Supercheap yesterday. A good deal. Nobody got hurt.


Thinking of hooking a couple of wires to the old one and attaching them to my nipple piercing - just for kicks you know.

It's Easter - Jesus suffered - so should I?

[Ulsterkiwi]

As usual anything on Fakebook needs to be taken with sack of salt....

Its not rocket science, in fact its not even scientific, 100 riders (who volunteered further distorting stats) is a very samll sample size no matter what electronic trickery you plug them in to.
30 of the riders crashed, over half those were slow speed (17) ( so irrelevant for 90% of time as far as risk is concerned) and that shits gonna happen trained or untrained for a variety of reasons.

They disregard previous studies because "the results of The Hurt Report were based on eyewitness accounts, rider interviews and police reports, which are often unreliable and inaccurate." Funhny that courts acdcept all that unreliable shit tho aye...?????

Crashes are caused by poor judgement, failing to pay attention and a bit of lacking skills/experience. But when dow e make bad decisions across the board in life? its when we are tired and fatigued. All the skill in the world dont mean shit if your travelling tired.....

I agree with most of what you are saying. I would suggest its the magazine/website article reporting on a report we need to be cautious of more than actual reports or studies. It wouldn't be the first time a journo shapes the story to their own ends rather than what the original authors were trying to say.

Its a bit unfair to describe the report as unscientific. The report clearly tells us how the sample of riders was obtained and shows how they tried to be representative in terms of location, riding conditions, motorcycle type and that motorcycles chosen would not interfere with the data collection equipment. You are correct that 100 is a small number of riders compared to the entire population of the world that rides a motorcycle. The study was not intending to tell us what happens in the whole world, it was trying to be representative of riders, bikes and conditions in the US. When setting up a scientific study the sample size is not just about the number of participants but also how representative the dataset collected is. There was a huge amount of data collected over the period of the study and of a range of types. Data collated is equivalent to 389 days of riding over a distance of 366,667miles (590,093km). Its a reasonable statement therefore that what happened to 100 riders over all that time riding in different places in different conditions on different machines is representative of the target population. That's pretty scientific. The fact we know exactly what they did and how participants were recruited makes it scientific. The fact they were volunteers makes it ethical research as people participated knowing what they were getting into.

Fair point about the Hurt report. As someone else has pointed out though, it has been used quite a bit because that is what was available. I would argue that the Hurt report still has its place when understanding crashes, its another piece of the jigsaw. It is however a piece of evidence that needs to be considered in light of what this study brings to the table. The actual study does not dismiss the Hurt report. It reminds us of the limitations of that study (Hurt) and shows how it is trying to improve our understanding with the dataset collected in this study (Williams et al)
There is no overt attempt to address the limitations of this study design which is a problem, but its a report, not a publication in a peer reviewed journal so may not have been subject to peer review.

Your last point is spot on I think, fatigue is a huge influence on our perceptive abilities and decision making.

[Ulsterkiwi]

Interesting tho was the bit about riders following to close and colliding with traffic in same direction... I know of several cases where that's caused deaths here in NZ...

CAUTION link contains fatal crash vid filmed by following bike http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ror-crash.html

I have a bit of a thing about following distances, I cringe at how little room people give themselves in traffic, that goes for riders as much as drivers. For riders especially when you consider mixing that with positioning in a blind spot for the vehicle in front and its a wonder there aren't more mushed up riders the length of the country.

[Zedder]

That would be impossible to get statistics on as no one would ever admit to it as it would demonstrate a weakness. I do last year recall a poster on here admitting to it though "in his younger days".

Rubbish, anonymous surveys are common.

[Gremlin]

In the past on here there has been many comments about technical right and wrong lines through corners and I am just saying there is no such thing as traffic density and road conditions could result in you coming to grief if you only think about taking a specific line. Who is to say you know any more about cornering than I do and chances are you don't.

I can't believe I'm replying... but what if the cornering line factored in all those conditions such as traffic and road conditions?

Crazy I know... but I expect any rider I mentor to do exactly that (or I'll demonstrate for them).

[swbarnett]

If there is traffic coming the other way and its a bit over the centre line or there is gravel on the bend the thing I would want to make sure of first would be to ensure I was travelling at a speed that offered time to avoid the hazard if possible. What "line" I would take during my avoidance would depend on the nature of the hazard. You can not predict for all hazard situations. While taking one particular line could get you out of trouble on one bend taking that same line could see you come to grief on another.

You just don't get it.

PLEASE! Jump down off your high horse for one second and go do a riding course that will teach you how to corner on a public road to maximise your chances of survival.

[Akzle]

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Thinking of hooking a couple of wires to the old one and attaching them to my nipple piercing - just for kicks you know.

It's Easter - Jesus suffered - so should I?

hahahaha. ford.
there's no accounting for (bad) taste i spose.

[caspernz]

I can't believe I'm replying... but what if the cornering line factored in all those conditions such as traffic and road conditions?

Crazy I know... but I expect any rider I mentor to do exactly that (or I'll demonstrate for them).

Oh dear Alan, please go to the naughty corner for thou has displayed the temerity to tilt at the windmill called cassina....

Of course there's a technical approach to selecting the correct cornering line for any given situation, even that one which includes a rabid dog, but in order for that to be accepted by anyone who shall remain nameless from this point forth it would require an open mind to engage in discussion. A lengthy period of displaying all the signs that it's too late for a check-up from the neck up for the aforementioned has resulted in bringing merely humour to me, when I see a well intended soul trying to engage in conversation with a broken record...

[Blackbird]

Oh dear Alan, please go to the naughty corner for thou has displayed the temerity to tilt at the windmill called cassina....

Of course there's a technical approach to selecting the correct cornering line for any given situation, even that one which includes a rabid dog, but in order for that to accepted by anyone who shall remain nameless from this point forth it would require an open mind to engage in discussion. A lengthy period of displaying all the signs that it's too late for a check-up from the neck up for the aforementioned has resulted in bringing merely humour to me, when I see a well intended soul trying to engage in conversation with a broken record...

* Must spread reputation around...... *

[SVboy]

In the past on here there has been many comments about technical right and wrong lines through corners and I am just saying there is no such thing as traffic density and road conditions could result in you coming to grief if you only think about taking a specific line. Who is to say you know any more about cornering than I do and chances are you don't.

Lol! The smegma under my foreskin knows more about cornering than you do!

[swbarnett]

No you are the one who does not get it as it has been said many times that most crashes on bends are the result of excessive speed and if you read my post again I said I SLOW DOWN so i am in a position to hopefully avoid any hazardous situation. What did your riding school teach you thats better than my way?

If you pull your head out of your arse long enough you'll realise from my earlier posts that I actually agree with you that excessive speed in a corner is a recipe for disaster. However, you spout it off as if this is the ONLY factor. Corner line is at least as important as speed. Take a better line and you can safely maintain a higher speed. All I'm saying is that this cornering thing is not so simple that altering one factor is the end of the matter. I am sick to death of people that think there's only one way to skin a cat.