New crash study.

[nzspokes]

A few years ago the Christchurch City Council introduced bus lanes and allowed motorcycles to ride in them and there is certainly a risk of having the same sort of crash that you had while ridng in them but what I do is ride about 30km/hr instead of 50 which allows me time to watch out right turning traffic into driveways. When you had your crash were you on a sports bike by any chance? The reason why I say that is on order to get a comfortable riding position you end up losing your peripheral vision due to them having lowered bars. Before you rubbish my thinking here go and take a bike with upright bars for a test ride and I am sure you will find your peripheral vision improved. Better still if you are tall enough take an adventure bike for a test ride as they have even better peripheral vision. I am speaking from experience here and while I have not owned a sports bike I have test ridden one. There was another guy on here a few months back who had the same crash as you and I recomended he try a taller bike to give him better periferal vision and while he did not rubbish my suggestion like many on here he said he was just not tall enough for them. I remember years ago a woman pulled out from a side street without looking properly and when she saw me at the lasy minute instead of flooring it she decided to stop in the middle of the road. Luckily I had enough time to stop without hitting her and locking my brakes up and if I had been to a riding school all those riding school advoctates on here would be saying it was the schooling that gave me the time to brake eh!!

I was on a 1200 Bandit.

Why are you scared to go on an assessment?

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[Gremlin]

... for it to take up to 24 months at your riding school to become advanced to me sounds plain nuts. The fact that you say very few ever meet your standard just proves to me that you need to simplify your teaching in a major way.

And there is the issue. I'll copy what I wrote again, this time bolding a word to help

Sure, very few come close to meeting the required standard without 6-24 months of practise, feedback and more practise.

You're also looking at it wrong. The standard is the standard and is not compromised. It's not called an Advanced Test for nothing. Passes are not handed out like chocolate fish, but most should be able to reach the standard if they are committed and work on it. It is accepted that not all will be able to make the standard, the same way that not everyone should be given a drivers licence, mainly because they just can't do it. You only have to look at the people that take 20+ attempts to pass the basic driving/riding test...

May as well mention it's also like a minimum standard, and you continue to develop and learn as time goes on.

[pritch]

You're also looking at it wrong. .

And there is Cassina's motorcycling problem in a single sentence.

[nzspokes]

This will come as a shock to you but I got into car driving quite late in life and had some lessons with a professionl instructor and and the end of the series of lessons he gave me a certificate which may have even had the words "Advanced Driver Competency" on it. I would have perhaps had no more than 6 lessons. So thats proof you dont have to have up to say 2 years schooling to be any good. Unlike you though I do not see this certificate as making me better at driving than any one else. All it does is prove I know how to drive in the eyes of a stranger (instructor) as opposed to family and friends who may overlook any faults in my driving as to not hurt my feelings. It has not made me feel bullet proof on the road either like you and your mates and I dont blame the school either for the crash I was in caused by another motorist as you guys would in thinking the schooling was to make you bullet proof from the screwups of others.

Who was the driving instructor?

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[trufflebutter]

Why are you scared to go on an assessment?

I'd venture to suggest that a large percentage of members here wouldn't put themselves in the position of someone pointing out their obvious faults. Truth is, everyone WILL have faults in the eye's of an assessor, and it can only be a good thing to have them, perhaps noted and talked about, in person. Whether you have been riding for 30-40 years or 3 years, I am in no doubt that there will ''at least one thing'' in any persons riding that can be improved on. Most will have a lot more faults going on than they expected in the eyes of the assessor.

Some years ago, I had a particular part of my riding that gave me grief every time, I wanted to get it sorted and spent an afternoon with a registered instructor. It was during this time that I had several bad habits that needed sorting out.

[nzspokes]

Read my later post when I say I have had an assessment (car driving) and the reason why I see it as nothing to brag about like you guys do with your riding schooling.

I have had a lot of drivers instruction and have held club and national motorsport licenses. Which means nothing when riding a bike.

Why are you scared to have an assessment?

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[nzspokes]

I'd venture to suggest that a large percentage of members here wouldn't put themselves in the position of someone pointing out their obvious faults. Truth is, everyone WILL have faults in the eye's of an assessor, and it can only be a good thing to have them, perhaps noted and talked about, in person. Whether you have been riding for 30-40 years or 3 years, I am in no doubt that there will ''at least one thing'' in any persons riding that can be improved on. Most will have a lot more faults going on than they expected in the eyes of the assessor.

Some years ago, I had a particular part of my riding that gave me grief every time, I wanted to get it sorted and spent an afternoon with a registered instructor. It was during this time that I had several bad habits that needed sorting out.

Which is the right attitude. Yes you will have faults but the trick is to be open to correct them.

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[Zedder]

I'd venture to suggest that a large percentage of members here wouldn't put themselves in the position of someone pointing out their obvious faults.

Hardly, pointing out someone's faults is a KiwiBiker sport.

But seriously, no one is perfect so sensible people do upskill.

[Akzle]

the end of the series of lessons he gave me a certificate which may have even had the words "Advanced Driver Competency" on it.

MAY have, or DID?

giz a hint. was it written in crayon?

[Gremlin]

I would have perhaps had no more than 6 lessons. So thats proof you dont have to have up to say 2 years schooling to be any good.

Dear. God. I said 6 to 24 months. Everyone will vary and that's why we do 1 to 1. The only person I've observed in the last few years on a first ride that made the standard was a serving police officer who rode police bikes, NZ Police riding instructor and ex UK police. Even guys who have previously achieved the standard but been out of it, have let bad habits creep in, let their standards slide etc. It's an ongoing process to keep your skills up. NZTA recognise this in some ways by requiring instructors to show they're doing more than the minimum requirements, so some have come to IAM seeking the test pass.

But hey, since you've said you now have that certificate of assessment, why don't do you have a refresh? A certificate doesn't give you a 20 year pass. Of course, you could also tell us who the instructor was, what the words or organisation behind it were etc.

[trufflebutter]

As I know what you will do on here if I name the instructor I will not name him and chances are he would be well retired or dead now anyway. I do see the school is still going 20 years on from when I had my lessons so their teaching methods are obviously a success in terms of getting people ready to sit their license. If they turned out drivers as unsafe as you lot think I am they would have lost their teaching certification years ago would they not?

A good coach/teacher/instructor can only work with what they are giving to coach/teach or instruct with. No matter how good Mark Brook-Cowden thought he was, not even the great John Hart could make him a better than average player.

[nzspokes]

As I know what you will do on here if I name the instructor I will not name him and chances are he would be well retired or dead now anyway. I do see the school is still going 20 years on from when I had my lessons so their teaching methods are obviously a success in terms of getting people ready to sit their license. If they turned out drivers as unsafe as you lot think I am they would have lost their teaching certification years ago would they not?

Lol. Advanced driver from over 20 years ago. So it never happened then.

Why are you scared to have a assessment of your riding?

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[nzspokes]

But havent you thought motorcycles themselves can be assessors in that as another poster here says in his sign off statement that they are extremely unforgiving of error? I think the time for me to take an assessmet will be if I start finding myself having a lot of near misses due to slowing down as a result of old age. I certainly dont want to end up like my father and many other elderly people from what I have heard that refuse to believe your driving/riding ability slows down with age.
Who knows I may take an assessment if they decide to reduce ACC premiums for those who do but the fact ACC has not done this just goes to prove they do not see a riding school education as being a guarantee of safer riding and as another poster on here said a few years back ACC/Govt sees riding schools as offering a feeling of overconfidence. You only have to see some of the comments from those who have been to riding school on here and how the school has taught them that there is always time to swerve/brake when someone else screws up to see how over confident some riding schools can make some people.

Do 4 accidents are not enough for you to realize you have a serious problem?

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[Zedder]

Hey Cassina, do you really only have an 82 Honda 750?

If it does exist, it's probably a "later model" now due to the "upgrade" of parts being replaced from the numerous crashes...

[Swoop]

Nope, Akzle has previously offered to pay for Cassina to attend a riding course.

Can we just cut out the middle man and just book a funeral director for her instead?

Cassina:

If this is deliberate trolling to get people talking about safety then it's performance art in progress, but I'm not so sure about that.

Fat chance. Just blind, maniacal stupidity coupled with the stubbornness of a mule.




Cassina: Serious question. Are you going through menopause at the moment?