New crash study.

[george formby]

I wasn't failed on anything, there was no test being sat here. The instructor was merely pointing out their interpretation of what they considered I could improve on, as most instructors probably do. It is not the Law. On reflection, I guess the brake thing was more about me having both feet on the ground when stopped......perhaps?

Possibly a case of having all fingers on your grips being the best option on the open road and covering your controls only when necessary i.e. in an urban environment when you may have to react like a cobra spotting a hungry mongoose?

I rode dirt for years and covered my levers habitually until the above was pointed out to me, not in those exact words. I'm a bit more thoughtful now.

[george formby]

Bugger "ability", I'd pass them for remembering the bloody circuit direction!

I also liked the "how to wheelie a Goldwing" video that came up at the end.

Ditto. I need much bigger pearls, though. Much bigger.

[george formby]

The AT is made in a non ABS version and its cheaper by $2000 than the ABS model.

You do realise that if you get an electric bike there is no way it will have the same range as an electric car for the simple reason electric car capacity batteries are just too bulky for a bike. Electric vehicle batteries are extremely expensive too about $7000 and up. I have been told the cost of a battery for a $4000 E push bike is $1000. Good luck with whatever E motorbike you buy but I think it will be many years before they can compete in everyway with petrol power.

From what I have read from another poster on here if they bring in compulsary retesting all I will need to pass will be to hire a 125 to make any slow speed exercise easily doable which was the size bike i had when I originally got my license.

Thank you for the AT model update, it was a quick look. Interesting that you would rather save $2000 than have a proven, reliable, brake assist on your bike.

I'm not expecting to be riding electric for 15 - 20 years. Technology and knowledge are moving forward for some of us. Quickly.

Oh, for the cost of hiring a 125 to hide your incompetence you could do a training course. Whoda thunkit?

[Zedder]

for if I speak my mind I'll be banned no doubt...

I've got this vivid image of a large group of KB members ready to do the same.

[caspernz]

I've got this vivid image of a large group of KB members ready to do the same.

Yeah well, I'm quite open minded and all that, being Dutch and familiar with different outlooks on life suiting different folk. There's a big but in there though, I'm finding it damn near unfathomable that someone could be as rigid in their thinking as cassina, and unwilling to consider the possibility there's some contribution to avoiding an accident in most cases, not all I'll accept, but most.

So it's either a case of a damn good troll, or more likely a condition with a difficult to pronounce name.

Not that it matters once I've had a single malt...

[george formby]

I've got this vivid image of a large group of KB members ready to do the same.

I have to log off shortly, the missus has just noticed the forehead dents in the wall. Got some Selleys gib repair spooge in the shed which will smooth the dents and keep me occupied watching the drying process.

[Zedder]

So it's either a case of a damn good troll, or more likely a condition with a difficult to pronounce name.

Maybe there's a combination of the two in this case.

[caspernz]

Maybe there's a combination of the two in this case.

Yes, so that means two single malts for me then...

[Zedder]

Got some Selleys gib repair spooge in the shed which will smooth the dents and keep me occupied watching the drying process.

It'll be a damn sight more productive.

[nzspokes]

if you never seemed to need to do them in the past do you feel you are a much safer rider being able to do them now and if so what is the safety benefit you see.

Yes. I ride a heavy bike so if I dropped it I would probably hurt myself trying to catch it on the way down.

[Zedder]

Yes, so that means two single malts for me then...

A silver lining from a very dark cloud indeed.

[nzspokes]

I wasn't failed on anything, there was no test being sat here. The instructor was merely pointing out their interpretation of what they considered I could improve on, as most instructors probably do. It is not the Law. On reflection, I guess the brake thing was more about me having both feet on the ground when stopped......perhaps?

Here is the bit Cassina doesnt get. Im not doing this Advanced rider thing to pass a test, Im doing it to be a better and safer rider. And I think I am, Gremlin may disagree though.

Its not a school, business but really a bunch of people that are trying to stop us hurting ourselves.

[nzspokes]

The idea then when choosing a riding school get a copy of the list of things they want you to do and choose one that gets you to do the exercises that make the most sense to you.
Even having both feet fully on the ground when stopped can be difficult if you own an adventue bike and you are not real tall. So to combine what you have said plus what the other poster has said about low speed handling your ability to impress at riding school can very much be influenced by your choice of bike.

Being able to control your motorcycle has nothing to do with the size of the bike.

[madbikeboy]

To be honest I would fail for the slow speed and U turn handing too but that would be due to the rather large bike I ride rather than ability. I do not see not being able to handle a bike perfectly at low speed a dangerous issue because statistics say that it is high and not low speed riding that causes most motorcycle deaths. If i did have to do a low speed test when I got my license the fact I passed would have been due to the fact my bike was a 125.

You must have been tested by an absolute nutter to fail you for holding on to your brakes at the lights for the simple reason any traffic coming up behind you is better able to see you stopped if you have your brake lights on and indeed when I come up behind cars at the lights many have their brake lights on too. I would have asked the tester how he would have expected you to stop your bike rolling back or forward if you were stopped on a hill/bridge at the lights.

Where do I start?

First - it's not the bike, it's your skill level. The bike has little control in the situation, regardless. It's the nut riding the bike doing all the decision making. Without the rider, the bike sits there, waiting. Think I'm wrong? Go down to your garage, I'm willing to bet your motorcycle is still where you left it.

Size of bike is largely irrelevant. Skill of rider, always relevant. I ride a Hayabusa here before you tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. Low speed multiplied is high speed riding. Low speed matters, if you can't control your bike at walking pace, you've got fuck all chance at 100 kph when the shit hits the proverbial. I once dated a chick who was all of 45 KG who rode a Turbo Hayabusa better than most guys could. She had skills. Mad, mad skills. And she could ride a bike.

Second. When a bike is parked in line behind another vehicle, it's hard for car drivers who are busy looking at Facebook, tweeting, talking, fucking with the radio, to see said bike because it merges visually. I won't sit as the last rider in a queue of vehicles. I've seen too many people hit from behind. I've seen people rear end semi's. I've seen people rear end cops with blues and twos. I once saw a dumb assed Chinese national drive into the back of a motorway safety truck covered in fifty high intensity lights. But, hey, you're perfectly safe, keep sitting in line and hoping your halo of stupidity protects you.

Third. ABS is a great idea for all of those who don't regularly practice panic stops. 99% of people have a shorter stopping distance with the ability to be able to steer the vehicle with ABS. There is no evidence in the world that supports your idea that ABS is a bad idea (except off-road, but that's different). Of course, since you're a delusional fucktard, having no evidence won't be an impediment to more false thinking.

[madbikeboy]

And I think I am, Gremlin may disagree though.

While you're training with Gremlin, ask him to teach you how to wipe your licence plate clean using the road...