New crash study.

[madbikeboy]

Do you teach a child to walk or run first? Same with motorcycles. You start with the foundations (like motorcycle control at low speed, and low speed skills) and build up from there.

10/10. Two thumbs up. The crowd goes wild. It's a six!

I forgot that you did coverage for cycling events. Been a bad couple of years in Europe for moto's and riders - UCI still hasn't worked out a way of bringing moto safety into the peloton...

[madbikeboy]

These mustn't be HD's then, because it certainly couldn't be the riders ability.

There must be something to this - GSXR's must be using the same unicorn piss - because again, it couldn't be the rider...

[nzspokes]

There must be something to this - GSXR's must be using the same unicorn piss - because again, it couldn't be the rider...

I would like to be able to do that, but no way in hell I could remember where to go.

Not sure my Satnav is that good.

[Voltaire]

Where do I start?

First - it's not the bike, it's your skill level. The bike has little control in the situation, regardless. It's the nut riding the bike doing all the decision making. Without the rider, the bike sits there, waiting. Think I'm wrong? Go down to your garage, I'm willing to bet your motorcycle is still where you left it.

Size of bike is largely irrelevant. Skill of rider, always relevant. I ride a Hayabusa here before you tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. Low speed multiplied is high speed riding. Low speed matters, if you can't control your bike at walking pace, you've got fuck all chance at 100 kph when the shit hits the proverbial. I once dated a chick who was all of 45 KG who rode a Turbo Hayabusa better than most guys could. She had skills. Mad, mad skills. And she could ride a bike.

Second. When a bike is parked in line behind another vehicle, it's hard for car drivers who are busy looking at Facebook, tweeting, talking, fucking with the radio, to see said bike because it merges visually. I won't sit as the last rider in a queue of vehicles. I've seen too many people hit from behind. I've seen people rear end semi's. I've seen people rear end cops with blues and twos. I once saw a dumb assed Chinese national drive into the back of a motorway safety truck covered in fifty high intensity lights. But, hey, you're perfectly safe, keep sitting in line and hoping your halo of stupidity protects you.

Third. ABS is a great idea for all of those who don't regularly practice panic stops. 99% of people have a shorter stopping distance with the ability to be able to steer the vehicle with ABS. There is no evidence in the world that supports your idea that ABS is a bad idea (except off-road, but that's different). Of course, since you're a delusional fucktard, having no evidence won't be an impediment to more false thinking.

For a silly old bastard with a fat pig early 80's Honda he does seem to wind you guys up.

[Laava]

Cassina can now go shopping and trade in the High Horse.

Fixed that for ya.

[ellipsis]

okay, i made a decision quite a while ago not to respond to cassina. so i will use the excuse that this is for the benefit of any newbies that might be getting sucked in by his BS.

...I am totally over even thinking about what she writes...I don't know why any others on here still do...encouraging her by responding is just fucking ridiculous, way past being funny or even entertaining...I cant even be fucked calling her a brain dead, fuckwit...ooops, I just did...

[nzspokes]

As I said before you guys really need to look at yourselfs for wasting your time responding if you think I talk jack shit. Or maybe just a bit there is some truth to what I am saying but to hear it from me hurts because you can not handle it especially the bit where I have said if someone else screws up towards you there is no way it is going to happen as slowly as they teach in ridng school. The only people who are jacking up the ACC levy are those found at fault so get than into your thick skull as none of my 4 crashes have been my own fault. 2 animal and 2 car driver. How do you know it will never be an issue with cars along side lane splitting just because it never has been in the past for you but I will agree if shit happens when you are stopped in a line of traffic you are no safer. As for your claim about ABS reliability you are comparing a vehicle but with bikes and I was told this by a BMW dealer they can be over $3000 to repair due to the much lighter duty componentry required for ABS to work on a bike.
I can undersatnd how you would think riding a non ABS bike is scary if you have not grown up with them though.

Fuck me you are jammed in the past. I know of plenty of Bandits etc with over 100k on them and I doubt they have even had a brake fluid change. ABS works fine. My Commodore is heading towards 300k and the ABS unit has not been worked on.

All of your 4 crashes were your fault. You just cant accept it.

[ellipsis]

All of your 4 crashes were your fault. You just cant accept it.

...and the next one will be too...arrogantly tossing your middle finger to the facts and realities of life is a fucked way of waking up, but justifying it with ignorant bullshit, just because you are too thick to take the facts on-board is even worse...fuck off and hit a dog or a cow or something you stupid bitch...

[nzspokes]

.fuck off and hit a dog or a cow or something you stupid bitch...

Hang on. I like dogs. Not so keen on cows but like eating them.

[madbikeboy]

I can undersatnd how you would think riding a non ABS bike is scary if you have not grown up with them though.

What. The. Fuck.

My non-ABS Hayabusa isn't scary at all. Why would I be scared of it? Where did you make that massive leap of mistake? None of my bikes ever, from track bikes to the oldest bike I still own have ABS. I can lay morse code on the road with my front wheel at 250 kph. And you think I'm scared non ABS?

I'm not scared of anything. Except getting drunk and waking up with an ex girlfriend who has some baby news, that scares me plenty.

You're a nutter. Fucked in the head.

[madbikeboy]

Sure quite likely Japanese ABS would be more reliable than a BMW bike ABS. As I said before you can not compare car ABS componentry with bike ABS componentry as it would need to be much lighter to fit a bike plus as I said bike ABS componetry is more exposed to the weather/grit /stones etc.
Dream on about all my crashes being my fault. Why can you not accept they were not and dont give me this "But if you had been to riding school they would have taught you that there is always time to brake or swerve" BS. I have already said on here that I am able to emergency brake when there is time, with respect to the woman that did not give way to me but instead of flooring it when she saw me she stopped in the middle of the road and I luckily had time to stop.

Untrue. Look up the origin of the BOSCH abs set up and the trickle down to all other vehicles. Deluded and incorrect.

You can compare them. Mechanically very similar, very similar logic even down to having wheel sensors of the same design. Just as well car wheel sensors aren't exposed to the weather in the dirtiest place in a car, the wheel wheels. Oh, wait. Do you think about any of this before you type, or is it a flow of consciousness type deal like when you poop your pants.

All accidents are your fault. Unless the car dematerialised Star Trek style, you have a chance of avoiding fuckwittery by using your mark one eyeballs, your magic throttle and brake handheld device, and the top three inches of brain matter. Oh, wait. You're missing the last bit. As you were.

[madbikeboy]

Hang on. I like dogs. Not so keen on pussy but like eating them.

Sorry, I took the liberty of correcting your typo.

[nzspokes]

Sure quite likely Japanese ABS would be more reliable than a BMW bike ABS. As I said before you can not compare car ABS componentry with bike ABS componentry as it would need to be much lighter to fit a bike plus as I said bike ABS componetry is more exposed to the weather/grit /stones etc.
Dream on about all my crashes being my fault. Why can you not accept they were not and dont give me this "But if you had been to riding school they would have taught you that there is always time to brake or swerve" BS. I have already said on here that I am able to emergency brake when there is time, with respect to the woman that did not give way to me but instead of flooring it when she saw me she stopped in the middle of the road and I luckily had time to stop.

LOL, still not getting it are you. Observation is not your friend. Mind you, English seems to be struggle as well.

[nzspokes]

Does this post look familiar to you?

...I am totally over even thinking about what she writes...I don't know why any others on here still do...encouraging her by responding is just fucking ridiculous, way past being funny or even entertaining...I cant even be fucked calling her a brain dead, fuckwit...ooops, I just did...

If not you posted it yourself about 3 posts ago.

I guess thats what being brain dead as you say does to people yourself included.

Looks like you fail at quoting as well.

[caspernz]

Just saw this come up on my Facebook feed. Makes for some interesting reading. I'm still to look at the complete study but it certainly seems pretty comprehensive.

http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/wh...src=SOC&dom=fb

Just to remind all contenders the topic of this thread was the study quoted by OAB...as you were