The 2017 Election Thread

[Katman]

Some of you might actually be starting to see why I despise the prick.

[Ocean1]

You choose to make statements that are not backed by actual facts

Show me.

you cant refute the facts i posted as unlike your biased opinion you offer, my replies had the actual facts, These were 100% contary to what your opinion stated so you seek to minimise and then you change the subject.

You mean here? https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...post1131109253

Why is it you cant show the posts where you have ever bagged National if you are really so bipartisan.

Who said I couldn't? What I said was why would I bother? Unlike you I'm not interested in party politics in the slightest, just counterproductive policy.

As I also said, if I comment on labour's poor policy more than nationals that's probably because there's more of it.

As for me not being able to paint you as a party hack I believe i can.

Yeah. You need to get some different beliefs, those ones are shit.

[IMG]unicorns[/IMG]

Ah, red vs blue cartoons. Now that's far more your level, stick to that, eh?

[Graystone]

I don't know anymore. Just think one up that fits your agenda & dosent vilify your current do no evil favourite communists & we should get along fine.

Here's a free tip, know things before you post about them, you'll look less foolish that way!

[husaberg]

Show me.
You mean here? https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...post1131109253

Yip note how the facts didnt back up your arguement yet you claimed it was irrelevant, yet it was 100% the opposite to what you claimed had happened.

Who said I couldn't? What I said was why would I bother? Unlike you I'm not interested in party politics in the slightest, just counterproductive policy.

I did and you just backed it up by not being able to.
Odd that you claim you are not intersted in Party politics when you post about them all the time Ra Ra national Boo Boo Labour....that cant really be rationally construed as being bipartisan

As I also said, if I comment on labour's poor policy more than nationals that's probably because there's more of it.

Again a opinion not based or backed by facts or logic.

Yeah. You need to get some different beliefs, those ones are shit.

Another one of your opinions not supported by facts.

Ah, red vs blue cartoons. Now that's far more your level, stick to that, eh?

The shoe i shod you with fitted you so well. PS i they were as far as i know not unicorns.

Some of you might actually be starting to see why I despise the prick.

Awe steve why thats sweet, i dont despise you, i only feel sorry for you in that you dont have the ability to rationalise your paranoia driven beliefs and control your rampant narcissism, Its not at all personal.
But i can see why you would think it was, on account of your narcissism and all though.

[Katman]

Awe steve thats sweet, i dont despise you, i only feel sorry for you in that you dont have the ability to rationalise your paranoia driven beliefs and control your rampant narcissism, Its not at all personal.

I'm pleased you were able to work out who I was talking about.

[husaberg]

I'm pleased you were able to work out who I was talking about.

Oceans a Engineer why dont you ask him about your alternative fuel engine you posted that you claimed big oil was trying to keep hidden see what he says about it?

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-h...l-run-anything
https://kfor.com/2012/11/09/the-man-...e-magic-motor/
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...ernative-fuels

[Katman]

Oceans a Engineer why dont you ask him about your alternative fuel engine you posted

Probably because I don't give a fuck what Ocean has to say.

[Swoop]

Does the air base have a Duty Free shop?

Quite large duty-free quantities fly on that NZ airline...




Good to see Clare Curran out of cabinet today. Just a shame she isn't out of parliament completely along with the rest of the "coalition of the unwilling".

[husaberg]

Quite large duty-free quantities fly on that NZ airline...

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When Deep freeze was running at full steam that was even worse they had far bigger cargo bays.
I remember one of the MP's used to ride arround the airport on a 1500 Goldwing he snuck in and brought over, i had herd tales of mustangs as well running arround the airport limits.

[jasonu]

I remember one of the MP's used to ride arround the airport on a 1500 Goldwing he snuck in and brought over, i had herd tales of mustangs as well running arround the airport limits.

Sounds like a better use for those planes than being used as tax payer funded private transportation for the tooth fairy

[Ocean1]

Yip note how the facts didnt back up your arguement yet you claimed it was irrelevant, yet it was 100% the opposite to what you claimed had happened.

I did and you just backed it up by not being able to.
Odd that you claim you are not intersted in Party politics when you post about them all the time Ra Ra national Boo Boo Labour....that cant really be rationally construed as being bipartisan

Again a opinion not based or backed by facts or logic.

Another one of your opinions not supported by facts.

The shoe i shod you with fitted you so well. PS i they were as far as i know not unicorns.

Did you read the bit about how I don't expect a government to provide me with a cheap home? So, then, I'm wondering why you think your apparent assumption that national should have interfered with the market by using taxpayer's money to provide state houses at a substantial loss is any sort of proof that you're right and I'm wrong.

Did you not also read the bit about the fact that it was labour that initially flogged off a bunch of state houses and threw the problem at private investors?. You seem to have ignored that bit. Again, you ignore facts that you don't like and revert to inventing shit to argue with and then put that into your favourite bogeyman's mouth.

Here's a novel idea, how about you go away and see if you can find a tolerably recent post of mine where I DID blame national for one aspect of house prices and then come back and see if you can discuss how I'm a dedicated national party plant.

Or just stick with the cartoons, I don't think anyone here would think they detracted from your lop sided political opinions much.

[husaberg]

Did you read the bit about how I don't expect a government to provide me with a cheap home? So, then, I'm wondering why you think your apparent assumption that national should have interfered with the market by using taxpayer's money to provide state houses at a substantial loss is any sort of proof that you're right and I'm wrong.

Did you not also read the bit about the fact that it was labour that initially flogged off a bunch of state houses and threw the problem at private investors?. You seem to have ignored that bit. Again, you ignore facts that you don't like and revert to inventing shit to argue with and then put that into your favourite bogeyman's mouth.

Here's a novel idea, how about you go away and see if you can find a tolerably recent post of mine where I DID blame national for one aspect of house prices and then come back and see if you can discuss how I'm a dedicated national party plant.

Or just stick with the cartoons, I don't think anyone here would think they detracted from your lop sided political opinions much.

You produce no facts again its pretty irelevent your wishes about state homes as they were not what was glaringly wrong with what you posted.
Your opinion as to why there was a housing shortage was.
You are the one claiming you are bipartisan post some evidence that you are or accept that if you are judged by almost everything you post the only logical conclusion is you are that much smitten with the National party you cant see past your own rhetoric.

I'm doubtful you can attribute the housing shortage to labour policies, it was not under their watch prices skyrocketed. That was more to do with the ready availablity of cheap money with interest rates not seen since the 60's.
With global debt at least 1.5 time higher than in 2007 and countries like Turkey, Argentina having financial issues, the US stock market at record levels assisted by Corporate tax breaks a reset cannot be far away.

Sure we can. The whole thing started a couple of labour's ago, when they found there wasn't enough money in the kitty to pay for their election promises. Again.

So they slashed the state housing budget, sold off a bunch of state houses and set up tax breaks to encourage private investment in rental properties instead. (the very same mechanisms they're now calling "inequitable").

They also changed the tax law re retirement savings, taxing them at source instead of on withdrawal, a move that was specifically designed to free up retirement scheme savings capital for housing investment.

So we can absolutely blame labour for implementing policy that drove the housing market in the direction it subsequently took.


Them, and crooked cunts like this: https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-pos...ian-commission and their developer mates for the seriously dodgy practices that created the shortage that drove further price rises.

................August 23, 2014
House prices in Auckland

• Council valuations indicate Auckland house prices have gone up by one-third over the last three years. (Auckland Council)
• The average Auckland house price has gone up by nearly $225,000 since 2008, up over $75,000 in the past 12 months. (QV)
• It now takes 50 years to pay off the average house in Auckland. (NZIER)

The residential rebuild in Canterbury

• Only 2,000 houses have been rebuilt in Christchurch when the earthquakes destroyed 11,000 and CERA says 31,000 more are needed in the Canterbury region by 2021. (Christchurch City Council)
• Rents are up nearly 45% and house prices up nearly 30% since the first earthquake. (MBIE & QV)
• MBIE estimates there are up to 7400 people homeless in Canterbury.
• Only 62 of the 700 new state houses Nick Smith promised have been built.

National says it’s policy aims to increase supply of new housing but more houses were built every year under the last Labour Government than National were able to build in their first five years in office.
State housing​

• Labour increased the state housing stock by 9000 when last in government: National have reduced the number of state houses by 1000 in the last 12 months alone.
• There are 2700 vacant state houses, and the waiting lists are at a record high at 5800.
• National has used Housing NZ as a cash cow in the middle of the housing crisis: making a net withdrawal of $212 m (2009-2013) and are budgeting to withdraw another $252 m over the next 3 years.

The National Government denies there is a housing crisis.

• The OECD says we have the 2nd most unaffordable housing in the western world.
• The IMF says house price to income ratios are 30% out of step with historic averages and house price to rent ratios 80%.
• The Reserve Bank says the overheated housing market is a threat to macro-economic stability.

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All somewhat correct.

*wipes spittle*

And completely irrelevant.

[Grumph]

Sounds like a better use for those planes than being used as tax payer funded private transportation for the tooth fairy

The duty free stuff through Operation Deep Freeze was never RNZAF. It was US Military Air Command planes. The MP quoted on a Goldwing was Military Police
I personally know of a number of US cars brought in by staff based in ChCh - it was a perk.
I also know of an ex works Datsun flown in from Africa where it had been used on the Safari Rally by Sheka Mehta...which wasn't on the official lists LOL.

Currently I don't know of a bigger user of Air Force planes for personal use than your Mr Trump...

[jasonu]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12121235

Another fiasco bought to you by the Amateur Hour coalition.

[sidecar bob]

Here's a free tip, know things before you post about them, you'll look less foolish that way!

Thanks, because I felt really foolish, and you won.
Sorry I couldn't get back to you earlier, I had to go for a relaxing drive in my BMW classic car & then tinker with it for pleasure. I'm quite pooped now, but that's probably more because I'm a bit jet lagged after returning from running top level race bikes on the other side of the world.