Road toll - Police stupid obsession blaming speed

[FJRider]

Fair dinkum question. What learning process did you have in mind?

Rider/Driver training .. ??

[Ifsn8u]

I have ony read a couple of posts. But how about this idea.

If you crash and you are at fault. (Cause damage to property or person, another vehicle.) You can only get your licence back once you do a defensive driving course and re-sit your licence. Obviously crash causing death might not work in this instance.

Maybe that might make people focus on the job at hand rather than their phone or whatever.

[Akzle]

I have ony read a couple of posts. But how about this idea.

If you crash and you are at fault. (Cause damage to property or person, another vehicle.) You can only get your licence back once you do a defensive driving course and re-sit your licence. Obviously crash causing death might not work in this instance.

Maybe that might make people focus on the job at hand rather than their phone or whatever.

better idea:

if you crash and don't kill yourself, you get shot in the face.

vote akzle.

[awayatc]

Anyone else on here honest enough to admit driving past a destination due to being on the legally used Bluetooth hands free phone?

It's worse than R/Ts too. I'm not sure why. But it's worse by far.

Got no blue tooth...or any other tooth for that matter.
Nor have I got the need for a phone for work...
Nor do I have friends....
So I only use phone when I need something or somebody.
Won't do that when I'm driving...
Or riding...

[george formby]

With reference to cost I mean the primary reason why many roads are not maintained as well as they should be. If you think about it we will all be paying more in the way of rates/registration/or/taxes to see an across the country upgraded roading standard or is it best left the way it is and we learn to handle the conditions while enjoying paying lower rates and taxes etc

Works for me.

[Drew]

Strangly enough most on here dont want greater penalties for those at fault most likely due to a fear of being at fault in the future themselves.

You really need to work on those reading and comprehension skills.

[eldog]

With reference to cost I mean the primary reason why many roads are not maintained as well as they should be. If you think about it we will all be paying more in the way of rates/registration/or/taxes to see an across the country upgraded roading standard or is it best left the way it is and we learn to handle the conditions while enjoying paying lower rates and taxes etc?

Strangely enough we were paying a lot more for ACC on registration a few years back for cars. Could have kept the same rate we could have better roads.

but a lot more spent on crap short cut fixes with health and safety, hand holding etc rather than doing a proper job once.

oh well....

[eldog]

Strangly enough most on here dont want greater penalties for those at fault most likely due to a fear of being at fault in the future themselves.

Strangely enough one poster on here doesn't think death is too high a price some people pay.

innocent or guilty, are some who die through accidents on our roads

[eldog]

A drivers attitude has a lot to do with their ability to drive safely. 98% of "Accidents" are caused by the mistakes of drivers. Mistakes (however minor) of all drivers involved ... have an impact (excuse the pun) on how serious the end result will be. A mistake of following too closely may involve you in what could/should have been a non-issue for you.

We have our share of shit roads ... I've traveled most on a motorcycle and most of my prangs were of my making. Better drivers ... ?? I doubt it. I've found it easier and safer to back off ... and allow ROW to those that are not entitled to ... or deserve any.

Dumb is believing if a speed sign tells you you can ... you MUST. And ... MUST be perfectly safe in ALL road, traffic and weather conditions ...

We should be all familiar with the attributes and failings of our own vehicles we operate ... so we should be making allowances for the failings. And use the attributes to our advantage ... to ensure our safety. Not to increase the risk.

And I have been to Auckland ... and I doubt anything has improved ... the drivers or the traffic.

while I agree with a lot you have said.

i have just returned from the supermarket, one only needs to watch how people interact there to see how accidents happen, without signs.

[george formby]

Strangly enough most on here dont want greater penalties for those at fault most likely due to a fear of being at fault in the future themselves.

That's a bit disingenuous.

It would be a tiny minority of people who consciously head out onto the road intending to be a wanker. Increasing penalties will not curtail bad judgement or bad driving. The anti speed campaign and ever increasing road toll kinda proves this.

That tiny minority do not give a shit about rego, wof, insurance or license either. The 15 year old kid who kamikazied recently kinda indicates the mind set.

[george formby]

while I agree with a lot you have said.

i have just returned from the supermarket, one only needs to watch how people interact there to see how accidents happen, without signs.

Oh yes, the petri dish of driving humanity. It's terrifying!

[Murray]

There was a video post on FB a few days back where a guy on a bike would have been killed had he not positiond himself towards the edge of the road on a bend.

There was a video pasted on FB of a fundraising ride for St John from ChCh to Akaroa some time back and they even had a safety marshall briefing before the ride left which was completely ignored by a number of riders.

I saw a FB video recently when a guy would have ended up dead if he had not been to the far left of the centre line.

Recently it was stated it would be 30 years before all roads are returned to pre earthquake conditions.

Riding schools from what I have read on here are all into teaching avoidance of certain dangers but you really have to look beyond what they teach and maybe ignore some of it.

I have read on other sites that factors like the fast pace of life a lot of people live and the pressure they are under in life are factors too. It has been said in the media that many of the truck crashes on the alternate SH1 north of Waipara are due to work pressure.

Hey dickhead instead of I saw, I read, I heard, it was stated, it has been said etc how about linking it, cause you are so dangerous it is not funny!!!!

[FJRider]

while I agree with a lot you have said.

i have just returned from the supermarket, one only needs to watch how people interact there to see how accidents happen, without signs.

Such is life today ... Unless there is a sign specifically telling you it is not allowed ... most then assume then that it IS.

[AllanB]

changing bikes to better suit the road surfaces (post earthquake in ChCh) I mostly ride on.

You changed to a 1982 CB750 Honda?

Enlighten us - is this the 'earthquake' motorcycle?

[pritch]

Strangly enough most on here dont want greater penalties for those at fault most likely due to a fear of being at fault in the future themselves.

On the contrary most on here want to improve their riding skills in an effort to avoid being involved in an accident, whoever is at fault it still hurts, many take courses that could help with this.
The only KBer who seems determined to remain ignorant is yourself.