Road toll - Police stupid obsession blaming speed

[Crasherfromwayback]

No fuck you are the dumb one as if you take out vehicle insurance and you have an "at fault" accident you will find with most or all companies
your premium will go up on top of having to pay an excess. If ACC applied the same thinking there is an incentive to "improve" if you dont want to be paying higher premiums for ever.

Thanks Einstein. After selling motorcycle insurance over the last 30 years I wasn't sure how it all worked. And the next at fault accident I claim on will be my first in 36 years on the road. Retard.

[rastuscat]

Speed causes some crashes. Certainly not a big proportion, but some.

Off all the others, whatever the cause, the faster people are going, the greater the kinetic energy, and the worse the outcome.

Such is the reasoning for speed enforcement.

Absolutely agree work should be done to prevent crashes in the first place, but isnt thst our job? Why expect some government agency to make the change that we as citizens can make. For free.

[awayatc]

I know you can't have any teeth left....

Coz if you blabber like you do on here in real life as well ,
Somebody will smack you in the face .....

That's also how I know you must be a "female"....

Coz no guy could be this annoyingly ignorant and obnoxious AND still be alive....

[Graystone]

Speed causes some crashes. Certainly not a big proportion, but some.

Off all the others, whatever the cause, the faster people are going, the greater the kinetic energy, and the worse the outcome.

Such is the reasoning for speed enforcement.

Absolutely agree work should be done to prevent crashes in the first place, but isnt thst our job? Why expect some government agency to make the change that we as citizens can make. For free.

That's the reason supplied for public consumption, but I suspect the real reason for speed enforcement is simply that it is enforceable.

Imagine if we could instead enforce attention and reaction times, this would drastically reduce both the number of accidents, and the kinetic energy in which they occur. That is the change we as citizens can make for free, however this change is at odds with the level of 'speed kills' message and enforcement currently shown.

[rastuscat]

That's the reason supplied for public consumption, but I suspect the real reason for speed enforcement is simply that it is enforceable.

Imagine if we could instead enforce attention and reaction times, this would drastically reduce both the number of accidents, and the kinetic energy in which they occur. That is the change we as citizens can make for free, however this change is at odds with the level of 'speed kills' message and enforcement currently shown.

An alarmingly sensible, reasoned response.

It would be great to be able to enforce attention and reaction times. Those are strong threads of the answer. Tough to deal with. Road safety researchers internationally would like to solve that one.

Meantime, we complain when something gets enforced, and complain when it doesn't.

One example. We rail against those campaigns where the police take photos of cars, trucks, bikes fail to keep left over curves where the view across is clear. Because, well, if nobody is coming it's not unsafe right?

Then we complain that police are doing nothing but writing speeding tickets. Why dont they do something about people crosding the centre line?

I obviously don't have access to inside information any more, but when I did, speeding tickets were about a third of the total number of tickets written. I cant imagine its changed much.

[AllanB]

Absolutely agree work should be done to prevent crashes in the first place, but isnt thst our job? Why expect some government agency to make the change that we as citizens can make. For free.

Appears to me the modern knee jerk reaction to any public problem nowadays is a expectation that the government should fix it.

Can't have people being responsible for their own actions anymore!

[Graystone]

An alarmingly sensible, reasoned response.

It would be great to be able to enforce attention and reaction times. Those are strong threads of the answer. Tough to deal with. Road safety researchers internationally would like to solve that one.

Meantime, we complain when something gets enforced, and complain when it doesn't.

One example. We rail against those campaigns where the police take photos of cars, trucks, bikes fail to keep left over curves where the view across is clear. Because, well, if nobody is coming it's not unsafe right?

Then we complain that police are doing nothing but writing speeding tickets. Why dont they do something about people crosding the centre line?

I obviously don't have access to inside information any more, but when I did, speeding tickets were about a third of the total number of tickets written. I cant imagine its changed much.

Is that not part of the same thread? We complain when police enforce arbitrary speeding rules despite there being a very low risk to speeding in circumstances we maintain attention/awareness in (straight roads, good visibility and verge control), we complain when police again enforce arbitrary lane rules despite there being a very low risk to crossing the centerline in circumstances we maintain attention/awareness in (like when there is enough visibility to show there clearly nobody coming). These traits put the concept of attention down the importance scale behind maintaining the target speed and lane position; so is it really any wonder attention and awareness are not so well adopted?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Retard yourself.

Ohhh...you got me good there.

[rastuscat]

Packed it in 2.5 years ago. Most days I commute to and from Ruapuna, from Rangiora. About 30 km. Motorway, arterial, local roads. It'd make a good CBTA route actually.

I've seen so few police cars that they don't even factor in how I ride my bike. To be fair, i pretty much stick to the rules anyway, road craft etc.

It's brought me to consider that enforcement means something to those constantly pushing the boundaries, but means bugger all to most of us.

To be fair, the chance if getting caught doing something stupid are fairly slim.

I do the road rules / road craft thing more because I think it's a good idea than because of any fear of enforcement.

[admenk]

Appears to me the modern knee jerk reaction to any public problem nowadays is a expectation that the government should fix it.

Can't have people being responsible for their own actions anymore!

I blame the government .......whatever one that turns out to be.....

[Drew]

The only thick cunts are those that believe man can stop it if its happening maybe you are one of them?

You're still struggling with the whole reading thing huh?

[pete376403]

THAT'S for real!

And the dumber they are the more they 'need' to use the phone while driving.

Unless you're a cop. Apparently they are immune from the danger that cellphones pose to normal people.

[rastuscat]

Unless you're a cop. Apparently they are immune from the danger that cellphones pose to normal people.

Yes, I never could understand why they wrote that exemption. Seems silly.

Either phones impair driving or they don't. They do.

In fact, I think the MoT missed the point when they drafted that legislation. Phones district just as much whether they are hands free or not.

[Scuba_Steve]

Yes, I never could understand why they wrote that exemption. Seems silly.

Either phones impair driving or they don't. They do.

In fact, I think the MoT missed the point when they drafted that legislation. Phones district just as much whether they are hands free or not.

Some studies suggest morso in handsfree mode as the sound isn't direct so often the brain has to spend more time deciphering the conversation as it's competing with ambient sounds & usually of a lower sound quality

[Black Knight]

Must tell you guys this one.Out for a blast yesterday on the famous "back road"
(keeping an eye out for cows,pigs,tourists etc-all the usual stuff that makes the road interesting) looking ahead through a right handed 90 bend, and here are two small rental campervans side by side having a race.I rounded the corner,planned my escape route and waited.The van on my side kept coming and then had the audacity to lean on his horn.He finally realised he was not driving in Europe and hit the brakes hard, by now I was stopped in the gravel verge.Gave me the "oh gee I am terribly sorry sir" usual stuff.Here was a candidate for having his key removed and biffed into the nearest paddock.
The funny thing is that the corner is a true 90 degree,sharp as all hell,maybe I should have stopped before the corner,stood clear, and see which van rolled first.Bloody tourists.