Road toll - Police stupid obsession blaming speed

[caseye]

Please. Stop giving out your advice. It's appallingly bad advice, and most people who followed it would end up badly hurt, or worse.

It's time for you to calm down and take some time out now. Well past time. I am so pleased that your opinions are getting short shrift here as every time I read one of them my sphincter starts to pucker before I get half way through.

Please. Stop.

Working on it Riff,believe me.

[caspernz]

Please. Stop giving out your advice. It's appallingly bad advice, and most people who followed it would end up badly hurt, or worse.

It's time for you to calm down and take some time out now. Well past time. I am so pleased that your opinions are getting short shrift here as every time I read one of them my sphincter starts to pucker before I get half way through.

Please. Stop.

First up Simon, thanks for sharing your story. Glad you're still with us. It takes courage to share what happened to yourself.

The unfortunate part here is that cassina keeps interjecting, spouting all kinds of poor advice. It may well be intended to be helpful, yet it's anything but, for most of the principles are the wrong way around. Oh how I wish we could have a blocking feature on threads, so numb skulls could be prevented from derailing sensible discussions. Not a fan of slagging someone off on a forum, much prefer to do that to the person concerned one on one

Let's turn this into a chorus. Cassina, stop spouting your advice. Most of it is just plain wrong. So just give it a rest, unless you enjoy copping flack

[nzspokes]

It's not advise I am just saying what I do. What would you do if a bus tried to pull out without noticing you go past? The bigger a vehicle the more blind spots they have did you know and I see nothing wrong with trying to stay out of them unlike yourself and some others on here.

You really have problems dont you?

[Honest Andy]

No one has tried to race me yet.

Race?

No no no... that was overtaking, to get waaaaaay out in front

ahead of the destructive bow-wave...

[Akzle]

i cbf multiquoting the cunt.

c*ssina is a fuckwit. of the highest order.

y'all faggots still engaging the cunt with discussion and shit: don't.


c*ssina is a fuckwit.

[awayatc]

So you have been hit by a bus as well?

That explains it..........

[nzspokes]

No I think you lot are the ones with the problem if you do not think a bus could pull out without seeing you.
Maybe your riding school is yet to teach you how to take evasive action if a bus or any other vehicle decides to pull out without seeing you.

You are Bipolar?

[Woodman]

No I think you lot are the ones with the problem if you do not think a bus could pull out without seeing you.
Maybe your riding school is yet to teach you how to take evasive action if a bus or any other vehicle decides to pull out without seeing you.

So do you speed up when you see any potential hazard, or just buses?

Also. Everyone on here is aware that a bus could pull out without seeing us.

[Voltaire]

You are Bipolar?

Aspergers

Probably intelligent but had a career marked by inability to engage with colleagues, hence being here and despite being asked to stop just

ploughs on. I wonder if his wife has to listen to hours of " and I keep telling them..."

" yes Dear" continues knitting covers for Cassinas bowling balls.

or just really bored and enjoys winding up the easily wound up.

[Akzle]

I do this as a result of being knocked off my bike by a car doing a U turn. So if everyone on here is aware they could be knocked off by a bus pulling out what is the problem with doing a centre line hug at speed to try and stay as far from the bus/vehicle as possible? As I said no one else has come up with a better idea to handle such a situation so why rubbish mine.

you. are. a. fuckwit.

[riffer]

As I said no one else has come up with a better idea to handle such a situation so why rubbish mine.

Okay.


When in a situation where you observe a bus at the roadside and you are advancing upon it. First thing - ease off the throttle, cover brake. Observe those alighting the bus - has the queue finished? what is the driver doing? Front wheels - are they turned out or moving? That happens before the bus moves forward? Where's my exit? Can't see one? Then slowing down... I'd rather go slower than faster in this situation. Be aware you may need to brake hard, so shifting my butt back on the seat so I don't raise the rear too hard - what's left? What's right? What's behind that I have to be aware of?

Note all the things going through my mind as I approach a bus at the side of the road. Not one of those is "I'll get ready to gap it."

Where your advice falls short is that it is overly aggressive. And it's that aggression that causes you problems on the road. I can recommend a RideForever instructor who can help you with your riding. The crashes you have had suggest to me that you have an observation issue - you are not paying attention to the reactions of other road users, and you are not modifying your riding in the appropriate manner when you come across the dangers on the road.

It's a parallel with your interactions on this site. I wonder if it also parallels reality outside of this forum. Perhaps it's the Universe trying to tell you something?

Tell you what. Give David Keilty a ring. His phone number is 021 168 6320. He is the man in charge of the RideForever system in New Zealand. Tell him Simon Gotlieb suggested you call him. Explain to him why you think that the riding instructors in this country have got it all wrong and explain your ideas on how motorcycle safety could be done better.

Then shut up and have a good listen to what he will tell you in reply. And anything he suggests - you go and do it.

And then. Once you've done that. You come back on here and tell us all what you have learned. And how it has changed your thinking on motorcycle safety. Because I 100% guarantee that it will profoundly change your opinion on the subject. I have read you lambasting instructors and IAM members on this forum, accusing them on not knowing what they are talking about.

It's time to do something Cassina. Will you step up to the plate and take that challenge? Call Dave now. He's been at the Burt Monro for the last few days so he'll be in a good mood.

[Swoop]

It's not advise I am just saying what I do.

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[caspernz]

I do this as a result of being knocked off my bike by a car doing a U turn. So if everyone on here is aware they could be knocked off by a bus pulling out what is the problem with doing a centre line hug at speed to try and stay as far from the bus/vehicle as possible? As I said no one else has come up with a better idea to handle such a situation so why rubbish mine.

The reason your logic fails, regardless of past experiences, is that maintaining speed or accelerating into what's technically called "a developing situation" is just plain wrong. If you drop off speed, position to see and/or be seen, it increases your time to react and thus avoid an accident. On just this one point alone, a new rider who takes your approach increases their exposure to risk, by doing the exact opposite of what is proven to work.

Those of us who have partaken in a modicum of post license training, can only but shake our heads at your outlook. Good luck with recovering from your condition.

[riffer]

But will slowing down necessarily mean you will be seen in the blindspot of the bus? Slowing down runs the risk of you being rear ended by someone following. With my way the proximity to the bus is at its maximum so I personally see it as being safer but if you feel doing it the riding school way is safer for you all the best. No I do not need a lesson from a riding school because in a situation where another party is at fault it is them and not you that controls the speed and distance they are from you when they screw up and it comes down to luck as to whether they give you any time to avoid them or not. There was a media story from a riding school last week where the instructor claimed he could teach you to sense when someone else is about to screw up before they actually do. So he in effect was saying he could teach you to sense a car coming around a bend on the wrong side of the road before it comes into your view which is absolute bullshit. Riding schools are fine as far as teaching you how to ride
but to say they can prevent you from coming to grief as a result of the actions of others thats where they lose credibility with me. Dont let my view put you off your belief in the riding school gospel though.

Oh dear. You truly are a fucking idiot. I can only hope that when you do kill yourself (because its just a matter of time) that you don't hurt anyone else in the process.

I will continue to improve my riding and I will be seeking the advice of those with greater knowledge than me. I'm truly sorry that you are so blinkered in your view that you are unable to consider anything else but your opinion.

I guess Akzle was right.

You are a fuckwit. Don't engage with me further. I'm really not interested in the opinions of those who will not consider that there is a better way. Goodbye. Consider yourself ignored.

[Viking01]

I do this as a result of being knocked off my bike by a car doing a U turn. So if everyone on here is aware they could be knocked off by a bus pulling out what is the problem with doing a centre line hug at speed to try and stay as far from the bus/vehicle as possible? As I said no one else has come up with a better idea to handle such a situation so why rubbish mine.

What is the problem with "Doing a centre line hug at speed" ?

The last two words. "At speed".


No one else has come up with a better idea to handle such a situation.

Oh, but they have. Start braking. Position well. Be prepared to stop if necessary.


Why rubbish your suggestion ?

Because it's unsafe riding behaviour.


Hope this is not TLTR for you.