Road toll - Police stupid obsession blaming speed

[Woodman]

No you are the fuckwit as only the rich and thick would not see the risk of a speeding fine not constraining what speed they get up to. Maybe you are just a thick or rich fuckwit to think the way you do.

Fuck you have issues..................

[Graystone]

No you are the fuckwit as only the rich and thick would not see the risk of a speeding fine not constraining what speed they get up to. Maybe you are just a thick or rich fuckwit to think the way you do.

Contrary to moronic belief, there is a hell of a lot more to the road toll than speeding incidences. Last figures I saw had speeding (as a singular offense) responsible for far less than 15% of fatalities.

[riffer]

There's a pretty simple reason that TPTB concentrate on velocity in attempting to reduce the casualty rate on the road, and I fear that a lot of people have such a negative understanding of it due to the simplicity of the campaign.

You see, there's two different types of people in this world:

1. those that are too hick to understand anything that has anything to do with math; and
2. those that turn off because they dislike being treated like idiots.

I'd put myself in the latter category.

And since most of the people here are also in the latter category, I'll talk about how it's been explained to me. Any type 1s can just move on here as there will be some maths.

You see, it's all about overall reduction of speed causing overall reduction of harm.

If look at any type of crash, anything that carries mass is going to have a significant amount of kinetic energy. And as we know the formula for kinetic energy tells us that the kinetic energy is half the mass times the velocity squared, or

K.E = m/2 * v^2

So how does that work in principle?

well, if we consider for argument's sake that a rider in leathers, kitted up weighs 100kg, and the bike weighs 200kg, and the bike and rider is doing 100kms/hour, then the kinetic energy is 300,000 joules. A rider that weighs 110kgs on that bike will have a kinetic energy of 310,000 joules.

But, if we increase the speed by 10km/hour, then the original 100kg rider will have a kinetic energy of 363,000 joules. So an increase of 10km/hr has an increase of 21% in kinetic energy. But an increase of 10% in weight has an increase of only 9% in kinetic energy.

And what's kinetic energy? Well its the force that gonna fuck you up in you hit something. It breaks bones, it tears tendons, and it wrecks bodies.

But there's a lot of thick people out there. And we know that a small increase in speed causes a disproportionate increase in the energy expressed in a crash. But that means nothing to thick people, so they've dumbed it down - The Higher the Speed, The Bigger The Damage. It's true, but not many understand why it is.

I really didn't give a fuck about the message. I'd been riding 38 years, and riding litre bikes for about 14 years straight, without a major accident.

Until the evening of September 11, 2017, when a blind idiot in a Nissan Navara Ute pulled directly into my path on SH58 (Plimmerton-Haywards-Hutt Highway) from a side track hidden by overgrown bushes, saw me, and froze. Directly into the path of me and my Aprilia RSV. And I was at the speed limit (I think - I wasn't looking a the speedo so I guess it was about that speed. It was the normal speed I do there, which is about 95-99).

I can remember hearing the voices of my riding instructor in our emergency braking practice yelling at me to "brake harder, harder, you can brake harder than that Simon!" And believe, me I scrubbed off as much speed as I could.

But it wasn't enough. They estimate I hit the ute at approximately 65km/hr, was propelled four metres up and six metres forward, somersaulted twice, and landed in a heap, unconscious. I've gotten this information from witnesses subsequent to the accident. I woke up in the ambulance, spent three weeks in the hospital, and I'm still on ACC now. Broken bones and a brachial plexus injury that has my right arm partially paralysed.

The Police officer, the ambulance officer, my surgeons, my OTs, my nurses and countless other people I've talked to have told me how lucky I am - how most people don't survive these accidents.

Apparently had I been doing as little as 10kms over the speed limit when the accident occurred, I would not have survived. 5kms over the limit I would have permanently lost the use of my arm, and had significantly more broken bones.

So, I've spent the last eight weeks thinking about speed in terms of kinetic energy. And as a result, I've come to understand where these guys are coming from. Because I've had it explained to me. And there's some problems with a differing rate of velocity to what the majority of other vehicles are doing. As most other road users are travelling at an expected speed those at a different speed, be it higher or lower, cause difficulty in the brains of the other road users as they are an unexpected occurrence. They will assume vehicles are travelling at certain speeds and pull out, or in front of people, and this could catch you out. Another problem is that, if things do go wrong, and they do, it increases the likelihood of you getting hurt. Any impact straight into a solid object in excess of 80km/hr is invariably fatal. And if it's not, recovery time is long.

I won't be able to ride again for 18-24 months. I'm not sure how I'll feel about exceeding the speed limit then. I imagine I'll probably be unable to resist the feel of the big bikes. But I will be doing so now with the realisation of how much it hurts when you hit something, and how long it takes to come back afterwards. At 50, let me tell you, it isn't as easy to recover as it was when I was 18.

Fire away with the hate if you like. Or engage positively. Either way, you can't ignore, or change, physics.

[riffer]

Contrary to moronic belief, there is a hell of a lot more to the road toll than speeding incidences. Last figures I saw had speeding (as a singular offense) responsible for far less than 15% of fatalities.

It's not just the deaths buddy. Orthapedic wards are full of bikers who didn't die, but who have a long time getting better. And mums with kids wondering how the fuck the family are gonna survive on 80% of their income for months and months.

[Drew]

Having no rego is hardley a safety offense though? Maybe it will take a crash through the fault of someone else before you grow a brain and decide penalties need to be tougher. You are the fuckwit. I note a few weeks back myself and others proved this point when you said the safest position on the road was to in effect "centre line hug"

I'm going to say this once you thick cunt.

Penalties for not dying are NEVER GOING TO STOP PEOPLE WHO DON'T DIE FROM DRIVING POORLY.

[Drew]

There's a pretty simple reason that TPTB concentrate on velocity in attempting to reduce the casualty rate on the road, and I fear that a lot of people have such a negative understanding of it due to the simplicity of the campaign.

You see, there's two different types of people in this world:

1. those that are too hick to understand anything that has anything to do with math; and
2. those that turn off because they dislike being treated like idiots.

I'd put myself in the latter category.

And since most of the people here are also in the latter category, I'll talk about how it's been explained to me. Any type 1s can just move on here as there will be some maths.

You see, it's all about overall reduction of speed causing overall reduction of harm.

If look at any type of crash, anything that carries mass is going to have a significant amount of kinetic energy. And as we know the formula for kinetic energy tells us that the kinetic energy is half the mass times the velocity squared, or

K.E = m/2 * v^2

So how does that work in principle?

well, if we consider for argument's sake that a rider in leathers, kitted up weighs 100kg, and the bike weighs 200kg, and the bike and rider is doing 100kms/hour, then the kinetic energy is 300,000 joules. A rider that weighs 110kgs on that bike will have a kinetic energy of 310,000 joules.

But, if we increase the speed by 10km/hour, then the original 100kg rider will have a kinetic energy of 363,000 joules. So an increase of 10km/hr has an increase of 21% in kinetic energy. But an increase of 10% in weight has an increase of only 9% in kinetic energy.

And what's kinetic energy? Well its the force that gonna fuck you up in you hit something. It breaks bones, it tears tendons, and it wrecks bodies.

But there's a lot of thick people out there. And we know that a small increase in speed causes a disproportionate increase in the energy expressed in a crash. But that means nothing to thick people, so they've dumbed it down - The Higher the Speed, The Bigger The Damage. It's true, but not many understand why it is.

I really didn't give a fuck about the message. I'd been riding 38 years, and riding litre bikes for about 14 years straight, without a major accident.

Until the evening of September 11, 2017, when a blind idiot in a Nissan Navara Ute pulled directly into my path on SH58 (Plimmerton-Haywards-Hutt Highway) from a side track hidden by overgrown bushes, saw me, and froze. Directly into the path of me and my Aprilia RSV. And I was at the speed limit (I think - I wasn't looking a the speedo so I guess it was about that speed. It was the normal speed I do there, which is about 95-99).

I can remember hearing the voices of my riding instructor in our emergency braking practice yelling at me to "brake harder, harder, you can brake harder than that Simon!" And believe, me I scrubbed off as much speed as I could.

But it wasn't enough. They estimate I hit the ute at approximately 65km/hr, was propelled four metres up and six metres forward, somersaulted twice, and landed in a heap, unconscious. I've gotten this information from witnesses subsequent to the accident. I woke up in the ambulance, spent three weeks in the hospital, and I'm still on ACC now. Broken bones and a brachial plexus injury that has my right arm partially paralysed.

The Police officer, the ambulance officer, my surgeons, my OTs, my nurses and countless other people I've talked to have told me how lucky I am - how most people don't survive these accidents.

Apparently had I been doing as little as 10kms over the speed limit when the accident occurred, I would not have survived. 5kms over the limit I would have permanently lost the use of my arm, and had significantly more broken bones.

So, I've spent the last eight weeks thinking about speed in terms of kinetic energy. And as a result, I've come to understand where these guys are coming from. Because I've had it explained to me. And there's some problems with a differing rate of velocity to what the majority of other vehicles are doing. As most other road users are travelling at an expected speed those at a different speed, be it higher or lower, cause difficulty in the brains of the other road users as they are an unexpected occurrence. They will assume vehicles are travelling at certain speeds and pull out, or in front of people, and this could catch you out. Another problem is that, if things do go wrong, and they do, it increases the likelihood of you getting hurt. Any impact straight into a solid object in excess of 80km/hr is invariably fatal. And if it's not, recovery time is long.

I won't be able to ride again for 18-24 months. I'm not sure how I'll feel about exceeding the speed limit then. I imagine I'll probably be unable to resist the feel of the big bikes. But I will be doing so now with the realisation of how much it hurts when you hit something, and how long it takes to come back afterwards. At 50, let me tell you, it isn't as easy to recover as it was when I was 18.

Fire away with the hate if you like. Or engage positively. Either way, you can't ignore, or change, physics.

Fuck up Simon. You're part of the fucking problem by piss poorly representing motorcyclists, in that you aren't pushing for every license holder to face mandatory training (we need to import trainers) or have the license taken off them.

Jesus titty fucking Christ. I KNOW you would be a body Corp president.

[riffer]

Fuck up Simon. You're part of the fucking problem by piss poorly representing motorcyclists, in that you aren't pushing for every license holder to face mandatory training (we need to import trainers) or have the license taken off them.

Jesus titty fucking Christ. I KNOW you would be a body Corp president.

Fuck off back. You're a fool if you don't train up as much as you can in anything you want to do well. But making it compulsory is not the idea. Then you'll end up with a bunch of non licensed riders and motorcycles will get banned.

No way I'd be a body corp president.

[Akzle]

If that is the case maybe thats the reason for the higher number of deaths on the road. I bet they would stay down for long then.

you're a fuckwit

Modern cars require far more concertration to drive than older ones as the electric power steering on all but the most expensive is so light. The addition of LCD screens does not help improve concentration and I remember years ago it was illegal to have any screen fitted to a car that could be seen by the driver. Other than that they do look cool I guess and its perhaps the cool factor that sells cars more than the safety factor. I would rather have a big motor than a cool looking LCD screen.

you're a fuckwit

No you are the fuckwit as only the rich and thick would not see the risk of a speeding fine not constraining what speed they get up to. Maybe you are just a thick or rich fuckwit to think the way you do.

you're a fuckwit

[Drew]

Having no rego is hardley a safety offense though? Maybe it will take a crash through the fault of someone else before you grow a brain and decide penalties need to be tougher. You are the fuckwit. I note a few weeks back myself and others proved this point when you said the safest position on the road was to in effect "centre line hug"

Oh yeah.

The BEST PLACE TO POSITION YOUR BIKE IS THE RIGHT TYRE TRACK.

I never said you need to always be there. It's a STARTING POSITION that offers the most options for escape.

Are you Skidmark?

Serious question. You're special needs cunt, never ever give advice again, you are an waste of oxygen.

[Akzle]

or

K.E = m/2 * v^2

So how does that work in principle?

well, if we consider for argument's sake that a rider in leathers, kitted up weighs 100kg, and the bike weighs 200kg, and the bike and rider is doing 100kms/hour, then the kinetic energy is 300,000 joules. A rider that weighs 110kgs on that bike will have a kinetic energy of 310,000 joules.
.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joules

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newtons

[Drew]

Fuck off back. You're a fool if you don't train up as much as you can in anything you want to do well. But making it compulsory is not the idea. Then you'll end up with a bunch of non licensed riders and motorcycles will get banned.

No way I'd be a body corp president.

Yeah, and those riders that refuse can be dealt with and will eventually be eradicated for all intents and purposes.


Look to Germany and what is required to be a license holder.

Till you half arse fucking pussies actually have something that will make a difference that vast, eat a bag of clocks ya fat cunt.

[riffer]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joules

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newtons

Newtons is force.
Joules is energy.

Let's not complicate things any further. Suffice to say expressing kinetic energy releases all types of forces.

[riffer]

Yeah, and those riders that refuse can be dealt with and will eventually be eradicated for all intents and purposes.


Look to Germany and what is required to be a license holder.

Till you half arse fucking pussies actually have something that will make a difference that vast, eat a bag of clocks ya fat cunt.

The fuck makes you think that I'm in charge? You mistake me for someone else, and your ignorant polemic is not only disproportionate but also way off target.

I'd love to be able to cancel all licences and make everyone sit new, harder ones, but we all know that's unrealistic. It would be nice, though, to have empty roads, until the economy collapsed.

You need to calm down and think about how to actually solve problems rather than create them mate.

[Graystone]

It's not just the deaths buddy. Orthapedic wards are full of bikers who didn't die, but who have a long time getting better. And mums with kids wondering how the fuck the family are gonna survive on 80% of their income for months and months.

They don't tend to do the rigorous crash analysis for injury accidents, so it is much harder to determine if speeding (as an offense) was the main factor.

[Drew]

I support your view and the simple fact is the faster you go the less time you have to react if shit happens. Most on here unlike you and myself have never experienced a crash as a result of someone else's fault and have the misguided illusion that there will always be time to get out of a situation but what they don't realise when someone else is at fault it is them who sets the time and speed.

I've been taken out by a woman who failed to stop. A big fine threat would have done nothing to change that scenario.
She'll never do it again though. She had to deal with me screaming in agony with a badly broken leg while the ambulance came.