Road toll - Police stupid obsession blaming speed

[awayatc]

You are trying to twist what the other poster was assuming would happen with driverless cars in that they would be safer than cars driven by humans as they would attract a lower insurance premium due to this.

You are a fuckwit....

Sorry

You are an uber fuckwit....

[Woodman]

You are trying to twist what the other poster was assuming would happen with driverless cars in that they would be safer than cars driven by humans as they would attract a lower insurance premium due to this.

Not twisting anything, rather just reading the posts and proving that you are making shit up. Stop making shit up. Actually keep on making shit up as it is entertaining.

YAAF

[AllanB]

Actually keep on making shit up as it is entertaining.

YAAF

It is sure interesting see how others think.

[Akzle]

It is sure interesting see how others think.

if one is of a mind, to be interested.

otherwise one might repeat the same shit. again and again. and never learn anything ever.

[Akzle]

You are a fuckwit....

Sorry

You are an uber fuckwit....

puntastic. must spread...

[veldthui]

Did the 1KC from Hamilton on Saturday. On SH5 just before it turns off to SH28 there was a cop that had pulled someone over and was giving him a ticket. Just around the corner not 100 meters away was this huge pothole in the road. Just beyond that was 3 cars pulled over with various states of damage to their cars which included 2 flat tires on the right side of each car. Just around the turn off was another 3 cars with more damage and more flat tires. These people were going no where as nobody carries 2 spares with them. This cop should have been warning cars of the road and doing something to get it fixed instead of giving tickets to cars going down the hill a bit fast.
If someone had decided to try and dodge the pothole they could have easily lost control in the wet and drifted across the road into the path of another car.

[granstar]

if one is of a mind, to be interested.

otherwise one might repeat the same shit. again and again. and never learn anything ever.

So at last the post has ended then, and in conclusion was the Police's obsession of blaming speed as main cause of the road toll correct?

[rastuscat]

If the fine she got if you did press charges had been higher and a lot of it gone to you it would have been helpful towards your recovery/getting a new bike would it not? In my worst accident I only got $500 from the person at fault and had to spend $25,000 more for a safer vehicle so if I get hit by a muppet again I would not be so badly injured. The muppet that hit me should have paid the $25,000 as well.

Don't wait for justice from the justice system.

A better plan is to ride in a manner that has a safety margin to avoid crashes in the first place. Avoid the justice system.

[FJRider]

You have not answered my question in that what the courts award as damages in industrial accidents is substantially higher than for the same degree of injury/death if it happens on the road?

A workplace should be safe for the employee. Higher risk jobs usually pay higher wages ... but most workplaces are usually low risk.

Faulty or incorrect equipment used ... or household appliances used in commercial situations ... can make work a dangerous place to be. Employees removing safety guards to clean or unblock moving parts is not a good idea if the machinery is still working.


But still the fault (apparently) of the employer ...



Driving on the road is not really dangerous (apparently) ... otherwise no self respecting parent would let their 16 year (barely licensed) old children drive/ride on the roads ...

[FJRider]

... Avoid the justice system.

As a motorcyclist ... I try.

Well ... the enforcement part anyway ...

[Akzle]

Did the 1KC from Hamilton on Saturday. On SH5 just before it turns off to SH28 there was a cop that had pulled someone over and was giving him a ticket. Just around the corner not 100 meters away was this huge pothole in the road. Just beyond that was 3 cars pulled over with various states of damage to their cars which included 2 flat tires on the right side of each car. Just around the turn off was another 3 cars with more damage and more flat tires. These people were going no where as nobody carries 2 spares with them. This cop should have been warning cars of the road and doing something to get it fixed instead of giving tickets to cars going down the hill a bit fast.
If someone had decided to try and dodge the pothole they could have easily lost control in the wet and drifted across the road into the path of another car.

you should have stopped off and picked up some grammer and punctuation and a "return carriage" key for your keyboard

[Akzle]

So at last the post has ended then, and in conclusion was the Police's obsession of blaming speed as main cause of the road toll correct?

pretty sure i covered all that off earlier in the thread.

try and keep up grandma

[Akzle]

The old belief on here that many have including you from your above post that there is always time to brake or swerve etc irrespective of what party is at fault.

you're a fuckwit

[Bikemad]

In NZ the courts decide the amount of damages to be awarded instead for industrial accidents but why should they be so much higher for industrial accidents when exactly the same pain and death can occur in road accidents?

because the employer is profiting from his employees labour and therefore has a responsibility to ensure the safety of said employee.......you fuckwit

[GrayWolf]

There's a pretty simple reason that TPTB concentrate on velocity in attempting to reduce the casualty rate on the road, and I fear that a lot of people have such a negative understanding of it due to the simplicity of the campaign.

You see, there's two different types of people in this world:

1. those that are too hick to understand anything that has anything to do with math; and
2. those that turn off because they dislike being treated like idiots.

I'd put myself in the latter category.

And since most of the people here are also in the latter category, I'll talk about how it's been explained to me. Any type 1s can just move on here as there will be some maths.

You see, it's all about overall reduction of speed causing overall reduction of harm.

If look at any type of crash, anything that carries mass is going to have a significant amount of kinetic energy. And as we know the formula for kinetic energy tells us that the kinetic energy is half the mass times the velocity squared, or

K.E = m/2 * v^2

So how does that work in principle?

well, if we consider for argument's sake that a rider in leathers, kitted up weighs 100kg, and the bike weighs 200kg, and the bike and rider is doing 100kms/hour, then the kinetic energy is 300,000 joules. A rider that weighs 110kgs on that bike will have a kinetic energy of 310,000 joules.

But, if we increase the speed by 10km/hour, then the original 100kg rider will have a kinetic energy of 363,000 joules. So an increase of 10km/hr has an increase of 21% in kinetic energy. But an increase of 10% in weight has an increase of only 9% in kinetic energy.

And what's kinetic energy? Well its the force that gonna fuck you up in you hit something. It breaks bones, it tears tendons, and it wrecks bodies.

But there's a lot of thick people out there. And we know that a small increase in speed causes a disproportionate increase in the energy expressed in a crash. But that means nothing to thick people, so they've dumbed it down - The Higher the Speed, The Bigger The Damage. It's true, but not many understand why it is.

I really didn't give a fuck about the message. I'd been riding 38 years, and riding litre bikes for about 14 years straight, without a major accident.

Until the evening of September 11, 2017, when a blind idiot in a Nissan Navara Ute pulled directly into my path on SH58 (Plimmerton-Haywards-Hutt Highway) from a side track hidden by overgrown bushes, saw me, and froze. Directly into the path of me and my Aprilia RSV. And I was at the speed limit (I think - I wasn't looking a the speedo so I guess it was about that speed. It was the normal speed I do there, which is about 95-99).

I can remember hearing the voices of my riding instructor in our emergency braking practice yelling at me to "brake harder, harder, you can brake harder than that Simon!" And believe, me I scrubbed off as much speed as I could.

But it wasn't enough. They estimate I hit the ute at approximately 65km/hr, was propelled four metres up and six metres forward, somersaulted twice, and landed in a heap, unconscious. I've gotten this information from witnesses subsequent to the accident. I woke up in the ambulance, spent three weeks in the hospital, and I'm still on ACC now. Broken bones and a brachial plexus injury that has my right arm partially paralysed.

The Police officer, the ambulance officer, my surgeons, my OTs, my nurses and countless other people I've talked to have told me how lucky I am - how most people don't survive these accidents.

Apparently had I been doing as little as 10kms over the speed limit when the accident occurred, I would not have survived. 5kms over the limit I would have permanently lost the use of my arm, and had significantly more broken bones.

So, I've spent the last eight weeks thinking about speed in terms of kinetic energy. And as a result, I've come to understand where these guys are coming from. Because I've had it explained to me. And there's some problems with a differing rate of velocity to what the majority of other vehicles are doing. As most other road users are travelling at an expected speed those at a different speed, be it higher or lower, cause difficulty in the brains of the other road users as they are an unexpected occurrence. They will assume vehicles are travelling at certain speeds and pull out, or in front of people, and this could catch you out. Another problem is that, if things do go wrong, and they do, it increases the likelihood of you getting hurt. Any impact straight into a solid object in excess of 80km/hr is invariably fatal. And if it's not, recovery time is long.

I won't be able to ride again for 18-24 months. I'm not sure how I'll feel about exceeding the speed limit then. I imagine I'll probably be unable to resist the feel of the big bikes. But I will be doing so now with the realisation of how much it hurts when you hit something, and how long it takes to come back afterwards. At 50, let me tell you, it isn't as easy to recover as it was when I was 18.

Fire away with the hate if you like. Or engage positively. Either way, you can't ignore, or change, physics.

That is only partly true... it ISN'T velocity that injures or kills, it's the things that interupt and/or bring to a sudden stop our progress. People have come offf bikes at 150mph + and 'walked away' {maybe with gravel rash, minor break and bruising, to, serious fractures}.
Our roads are littered with motorcyclist unsafe 'furniture'. While I will agree speed has a direct and indirect effect of the level of injury sustained, I'd also remind you, you can break bones at 'running speed' or less.