Road toll - Police stupid obsession blaming speed

[george formby]

Much food for thought.

Happily, I'm not an early adopter.

[Laava]

I cant Wait for driverless bikes so I can sit on the back and get pissed.

[Woodman]

I cant Wait for driverless bikes so I can sit on the back and get pissed.

To be fair you can do that now.

[YellowDog]

Modern technology is negating the need for new drivers to have to learn basic skills or even understand cause and effect type physics.

There's no need to slow down or brake earlier, when it rains. Technology does it all for you.

The future = Higher speed accidents with more deaths.

[Laava]

Lives will be saved as technology will compensate for all human error situations on the road and if there were no human error crashes there would be no need for the technology.

Dude its the fuckin holidays. Give it a rest.

[FJRider]

Lives will be saved as technology will compensate for all human error situations on the road and if there were no human error crashes there would be no need for the technology.

Darwin had a theory ... a few of us hope it thin's out the gene pool ...

You're still alive ... so we're not sure what to make of that ...


And it's not human error that does the damage ... it's human STUPID ..

[OddDuck]

Stupid tends to expand until it's filled the available space.

The corollary is that people tend to start smartening up again once things are on the verge of going wrong, or just after things have gone sideways. That's been my experience anyway... Just human nature unfortunately... make things more forgiving, people very quickly get more stupid to match. Take the guardrails off and put spikes on instead and suddenly people start taking a bit more care. That isn't true if it's a well known and accepted risk. Then it just becomes business as usual.

That said, one of the best exercises that a non-biking person can do to become a better driver is to go from A to B on something that isn't a car. Take a pushbike. Take the bus. Shank's pony. Anything, just break the routine, get out of the car driver mindset.

[YellowDog]

Lives will be saved as technology will compensate for all human error situations on the road and if there were no human error crashes there would be no need for the technology.

I don't agree with that, as your conclusion is for driverless vehicles, in order to remove the human error.

Technology attempts to compensate for common human error situations, on the road. However all this serves to do is to provide a false sense of security and the lives are now being lost in more dangerous situations, which may not have otherwise transpired.

My strong view is that: An error at 30kph, where modern technology prevents to the road user learning from the experience, so it is less likely to be repeated; can contribute to a death at 80kph.

I feel that technology contributes to human error crashes, as it has negated the need for road users to lean essential skills, so the errors are amplified at higher speeds, where the laws of physics can no longer be suppressed by technology.

So my conclusion is that, the implementation of the new technology is contributing towards lives being lost and should be restricted to advanced/experienced road users.

My new bike has: ABS, stability control, and Cruise control. It also has a USB socket, so that I can play Candy Crush at 250kph So it's quite lucky that I have been riding for 40 years, or I wouldn't stand a chance.

[YellowDog]

I agree with you in part. The idea of putting screens to read in cars is a real dumb one as the screens become a distraction when viewed when moving. I remember maybe 20 - 30 years ago it was illegal to have a screen that could be viewed by the driver in a car. I do like however features like blind spot warning lights and from what I have read some cars have an auto braking function to prevent you rear ending someone should you be distracted in bumper to bumper traffic. Another feature that I read somewhere is that some cars can even read traffic light colours and stop you if its red. I read an article once that said everyone starts to slow down in their ability to react to situations happening on the road from the age of 45 and having experienced being driven by my father when he was in his 70s and 80s where his judgement ability had gone down in a big way the safety bells and whistles they are coming out with now can only be a good thing. Everyone slows down over time and for many they will never know unless someone tells them.

So I don't agree with most of that and feel they will contribute to the current carnage levels, however I believe you have now come up with the perfect use for these technological advances.

1. Very experienced road users, that are able to demonstrate their advanced skill levels.
2. Mentally and physically handicapped.
3. Oldies

BTW: My current 4 wheeled vehicle has web browsing and email, on a 8" screen, as well as all of the other crap. The pron can be off putting at 110kph

[pritch]

It is a fact that since 1960's NZ population has doubled:

Our road toll in the 60's was circa 300+ or -.

I'm pretty sure I can remember figures north of 600. Maybe even approaching 650?

That's a pretty big + or - from 300.

Thinking back to then we had the big booze barns with parking for 300 cars plus, and at 10.30PM everybody would pile into their cars and hit the road pissed. In retrospect it's a wonder the road toll wasn't even higher.

[Viking01]

I'm pretty sure I can remember figures north of 600, certainly figures approaching 600 were not uncommon.

That's a pretty big + or - from 300.

Thinking back to then we had the big booze barns with parking for 300 cars plus, and at 10.30PM everybody would pile into their cars and hit the road pissed. In retrospect it's a wonder the road toll wasn't even higher.

You are quite correct.

http://www.transport.govt.nz/researc...alinformation/

[EJK]

You are quite correct.

http://www.transport.govt.nz/researc...alinformation/

Very interesting stats. Either by population/ no of vehicles per capita road fatality has been dramatically been decreasing.

[Akzle]

Lives will be saved as technology will compensate for all human error situations on the road and if there were no human error crashes there would be no need for the technology.

i see santa didn't bring you another braincell to keep that lonely one of yours company.

you're a fuckwit.

[pritch]

You are quite correct.

http://www.transport.govt.nz/researc...alinformation/

I looked for that but couldn't find it. Peak toll was just shy of 800. Amazing! And not in a good way.

[Voltaire]

I'm pretty sure I can remember figures north of 600. Maybe even approaching 650?

That's a pretty big + or - from 300.

Thinking back to then we had the big booze barns with parking for 300 cars plus, and at 10.30PM everybody would pile into their cars and hit the road pissed. In retrospect it's a wonder the road toll wasn't even higher.

Darwins work was easier then as cars did not have other than seatbelts much in the way of safety features....

The road toll focus's on deaths, must be a lot of injured that thanks to airbags, crumple zones and giant leaps in medical

treatment that would be brown bread too.