Road toll - Police stupid obsession blaming speed

[FJRider]

So the big question is "How many were involved in a group ride trying to keep up"?

A statement made in jest I assume ... BUT ... as I recall ... one rider killed collided with another rider (he/she knew) that they were following.

[FJRider]

At last someone else who is bright enough unlike others on here who see there is a luck factor and its the luck factor that will save you if someone else is at fault, for the simple reason it is them and not you who controls the speed and distance from you when they screw up.

Reading isn't your strong point is it ... did you not read this bit ... ??? you make your own luck.

come and say hi. I'll tell you all about how learning emergency braking through RideForever training saved my life.

[Akzle]

At last someone else who is bright enough unlike others on here who see there is a luck factor and its the luck factor that will save you if someone else is at fault, for the simple reason it is them and not you who controls the speed and distance from you when they screw up.

you're a fuckwit

[Akzle]

Yes I read that bit but when its a another party screwing up he could have either been going much faster or much slower and in both cases he would have missed the car that did not give way. There was a crash near Methven a few years back where a car driver did not give way and killed a woman and 3 kids (I think) and it was reported in the media the car not at fault was doing the speed limit but had they been going faster or slower they would have avoided the car that hit them. As I said before its a luck thing if someone else screws up coming towards you if you are able to get away from them. It has been said there are many crashes that happen below the speed limit so slowing down will not necessarily save you.

you're a fuckwit

[nerrrd]

Thanks for posting this, a very well written reality check (Kiwibiker?? Reality??? Weird.)

I wish I could say with confidence that I will be ready, but I suspect dumb luck will be the biggest factor if or when the time comes.

Hope your recovery continues.

Quoting myself, sigh...wouldn’t want anyone to misinterpret what I’m saying here, I’m still doing everything I can to prepare myself, including attending multiple Rideforever and sometimes other courses every year (which shock horror involves riding in groups also), trying to improve my observational skills as much as I can, and trying to practise the skills I’ve been taught on a daily basis.

I don’t think I would dare get on a bike today without doing all of the above and taking responsibility for myself - but sometimes I get distracted, sometimes I get tired, and sometimes I make mistakes ‘cos I’m not perfect and don’t claim to know everything I need to know about riding already, unlike some.

But I’m aware of my personal limitations and it’s entirely possible that one day I won’t see the warning signs, or I’ll cock up a corner or who knows what else and I’ll need some dumb luck to get away with it - or I won’t.

[Berries]

A statement made in jest I assume ... BUT ... as I recall ... one rider killed collided with another rider (he/she knew) that they were following.

No idea how to link to actual posts but I made some comments in post 58 on this page - https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...e-in-Jan/page4

Two more added since then, both overtaking traffic when a vehicle turned right.

There is group riding and then there is group riding. Waste of time trying to explain that on here though.

[Akzle]

No idea how to link to actual posts but I made some comments in post 58 on this page - https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...e-in-Jan/page4

Two more added since then, both overtaking traffic when a vehicle turned right.

There is group riding and then there is group riding. Waste of time trying to explain that on here though.

pick some post-specific text that doesn't appear on the page (like the number) and append "?=TEXT" to the URL. ie:

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...Jan/page4?=#58


it's inelegant as it wont work depending on peoples settings (# posts/page, ie) kb will have uid numbers for posts that's getting a bit srs

[george formby]

No idea how to link to actual posts but I made some comments in post 58 on this page - https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...e-in-Jan/page4

Two more added since then, both overtaking traffic when a vehicle turned right.

There is group riding and then there is group riding. Waste of time trying to explain that on here though.

I've had this twice in the last few months. Not riders, cagers..... Both times I've been in a line of traffic held up by a right turning car and both times ended up with a 4 x 4 alongside slamming on the anchors with nowhere to go. Fortunately, 4 x 4's take awhile to get up to speed. No doubt the overtaking driver figured that the slow queue had a tourist or silvertop at the front. A very common scenario round here.
It really brings home what I was told by an instructor years ago, consider whats at the side of the road not just whats on it.

Impatience and assumptions cause havoc. Think before you throttle...

Speaking of which, a behaviour I have seen a lot of lately, is riders sitting up a vehicles arse and jinking about until they can squirt through a gap. 99% from an over represented and loud piped group with weird helmets.
Seeing this type of riding and thinking about how many ways it could go wrong makes me wonder if they live in a fantasy bubble.
AFS, another f$%^&*g statistic.

[Murray]

So if you see vehicles waiting to pull out into your path ... watch them ... the DRIVER especially Even slow down a little . slowing gives more time to brake ... should you need too.

OR ... you could do nothing and then (possibly) let them kill you. The choice is your's ... walking away from an accident is preferable to being carried away (dead or alive).

But if you are in a line of traffic though slowing down suddenly could get you rear ended. If I see someone coming up to an intersection that I am about to pass I prepare to brake but dont actually slow down. I may pull towards the centre line too.

Amazing how you can change something so quickly. Gone from "even slow down a little" to your "slowing down suddenly". Just makes all your I have seen, have read, have been told, the crap it is.

As for the second part regarding "the choice is your's" again your stupidity is evident. So you carry on same speed but get ready to brake and may pull towards the centre line too. Is that it? Don't like your chances!

Great post and very wise FJrider

[george formby]

I'm gonna put this link here because I can't be bothered starting a new thread or finding somewhere better to put it. It is very pertinent to policing...

Texting, really?

I have only ever seen this in Europe, people on maxi scooters.

[Akzle]

But if you are in a line of traffic though slowing down suddenly could get you rear ended. If I see someone coming up to an intersection that I am about to pass I prepare to brake but dont actually slow down. I may pull towards the centre line too.

you're a fuckwit

The police/NZTA are yet to recognise that riding in groups can be more dangerous than riding alone and maybe data needs to be taken on this fact.

you're a fuckwit

Have you not considered that if you find motorcycling so dangerous its perhaps time you gave up riding? Riding can not be a very relaxing thing for you to do and if I felt like you I would have given up riding years ago.

you're a fuckwit

[Voltaire]

Quoting myself, sigh...wouldn’t want anyone to misinterpret what I’m saying here, I’m still doing everything I can to prepare myself, including attending multiple Rideforever and sometimes other courses every year (which shock horror involves riding in groups also), trying to improve my observational skills as much as I can, and trying to practise the skills I’ve been taught on a daily basis.

I don’t think I would dare get on a bike today without doing all of the above and taking responsibility for myself - but sometimes I get distracted, sometimes I get tired, and sometimes I make mistakes ‘cos I’m not perfect and don’t claim to know everything I need to know about riding already, unlike some.

But I’m aware of my personal limitations and it’s entirely possible that one day I won’t see the warning signs, or I’ll cock up a corner or who knows what else and I’ll need some dumb luck to get away with it - or I won’t.

I think you will be fine as some of the signs you need to look out for are:
repeating yourself over and over on the internet
repeating yourself over and over on the internet
repeating yourself over and over on the internet




Honda 750/4 prices are plummeting as research shows they cause the above.

[kiwi cowboy]

Katman used to have a one line message, it IS as relavent today as it was then. Personal Responsibility take possession of it and make sure you don't end up a statistic.

This Quote is pretty much what my father taught us kids at a young age and was aimed at life in general.
Bloody well true too.

Some of the things we did as young kids would make the feds hair curl and probably get us taken away in this day and age but being able to judge responsibility meant were still live lol.

[FJRider]

But if you are in a line of traffic though slowing down suddenly could get you rear ended. If I see someone coming up to an intersection that I am about to pass I prepare to brake but dont actually slow down. I may pull towards the centre line too.

Unless you're short sighted ... you should be able to see vehicles waiting at intersections in plenty of time to slow down a bit. If somebody rear ends you ... you wont get pregnant because it wasn't YOUR fault ...

Going towards the center-line is not that great idea ... that is where that vehicle will be trying to get to. Moving towards the center-line will just ensure you meet them there.

[FJRider]

The police/NZTA are yet to recognise that riding in groups can be more dangerous than riding alone and maybe data needs to be taken on this fact.

Consider this ... group riding is NOT the issue. HOW you ride in a group CAN be THE issue.

Careless overtaking and following too closely (and speed [your admitted failings]) ... are the two main group ride issues.