OMG RIP here we go again etc

[Akzle]

I assess the people I have on a course and did so that day. I then decide where to take them, based on their skills, maturity and confidence.

Of course, you are in a far better position to make that call, sitting behind your keyboard never having met those people.

In future I'll PM you the day before I run a course and ask you where to take them.

Thanks for your help.

shit old son. we'll make a cynic of you yet

[FJRider]

You cant be that dumb to think most "at fault" accidents result in death can you?

The majority of road accidents are due usually to more than one factor. One mistake by one motorist is not a guaranteed accident (fatal or otherwise) ... but a number of factors ... with a small "error of judgement" by one road user (not necessarily a traffic infringement) ... and an "accident" kicks off.

Being within the bounds of legislation ... is not always the same as "not at fault" ... Don't be "THAT" factor that starts the accident.

As you ride or drive on any road at any time ... count the "factors" (road conditions, weather, traffic volume/density, your/their speed, to name but a few) that influence your motoring ... and ride/drive accordingly. ie: Reduce the number of factors ... and you will lessen the risk.

Your claim you dont always have time is bullshit. It only means you are not paying attention to your surroundings ... going too fast ... following too closely ... or not thinking about what you are doing. Usually ... ALL of the above.

Learn to mind read ... try to guess what that (idiot) in the vehicle ((anywhere) near you is going to do next. Assume the worst ... and you will be ready. If you were wrong (as per usual) you will still be alive. (groans from most of KB members) If you are right (Maybe ... it might happen) you will be ready. Then ... if you actually know what the best thing to then do is (take a riding course if you don't) ... you may live a little longer. (MORE groans from KB members)

[FJRider]

I have said it before if we all could mind read like you there would be no crashes by anyone at all. If I was as paranoid about crashing as you are I dont think I would be in anything smaller than a Hummer.

Paranoia keeps me alive.

I couldn't live with the alternative ...

[caspernz]

The majority of road accidents are due usually to more than one factor. One mistake by one motorist is not a guaranteed accident (fatal or otherwise) ... but a number of factors ... with a small "error of judgement" by one road user (not necessarily a traffic infringement) ... and an "accident" kicks off.

Being within the bounds of legislation ... is not always the same as "not at fault" ... Don't be "THAT" factor that starts the accident.

As you ride or drive on any road at any time ... count the "factors" (road conditions, weather, traffic volume/density, your/their speed, to name but a few) that influence your motoring ... and ride/drive accordingly. ie: Reduce the number of factors ... and you will lessen the risk.

Your claim you dont always have time is bullshit. It only means you are not paying attention to your surroundings ... going too fast ... following too closely ... or not thinking about what you are doing. Usually ... ALL of the above.

Learn to mind read ... try to guess what that (idiot) in the vehicle ((anywhere) near you is going to do next. Assume the worst ... and you will be ready. If you were wrong (as per usual) you will still be alive. (groans from most of KB members) If you are right (Maybe ... it might happen) you will be ready. Then ... if you actually know what the best thing to then do is (take a riding course if you don't) ... you may live a little longer. (MORE groans from KB members)

As a firm believer in advanced driving as well as defensive driving techniques, can but wholly support your assertions. Nothing paranoid in there, nor does it require mind reading or crystal ball gazing

I have said it before if we all could mind read like you there would be no crashes by anyone at all. If I was as paranoid about crashing as you are I dont think I would be in anything smaller than a Hummer.

Most amusing to find yet another example of closed minded retarded thinking. Being proactive in avoiding an incident initiated by another road user is called defensive driving/riding. It requires merely a modicum of training/coaching to achieve a reasonable level of proficiency. The old 80/20 rule applies here, as with most learned skills. The proviso where you continually fall short though...one requires an open mind to acquire new knowledge. As you were

[rastuscat]

I don't regard most people as idiots. I keep seeing references to motorists as idiots.

Most people who cause crashes are not idiots. Sure, some are, but not the majority.

Most people who cause crashes are just Mr and Mrs Average who make mistakes. Human errors.

Hands up who hasn't made a human error.

Once we start to regard people as humans who make human errors, we can start to factor those errors into our ride plans. If, in fact, we have a ride plan.

Things you can understand can be mitigated.

Or we can just run round calling people idiots and continuing to suffer the results.

[Scuba_Steve]

I don't regard most people as idiots. I keep seeing references to motorists as idiots.

Most people who cause crashes are not idiots. Sure, some are, but not the majority.

Most people who cause crashes are just Mr and Mrs Average who make mistakes. Human errors.

Hands up who hasn't made a human error.

Once we start to regard people as humans who make human errors, we can start to factor those errors into our ride plans. If, in fact, we have a ride plan.

Things you can understand can be mitigated.

Or we can just run round calling people idiots and continuing to suffer the results.

People are Smart Idiots
Everyone is smart at somethings & fucking retarded at others what those things are depends on the person; it's sad to say "mundane" things like driving usually comes in the latter for alot of people it just doesn't carry interest for them, it's just a way to get A to B, so why be smart at it.

NZTA works hard making sure people don't need to take an interest in driving, car manufactures have done a bit too the end result is a road full of people that don't want to or have to care; How to make them care? Don't know, either revert to the "dangerous" vehicles/roads of yesteryear or maybee we'll just have to work on changing peoples attitudes to self drive cars for when they become a thing & then finally implement a licencing system that only passes those who can actually drive

[nzspokes]

People are Smart Idiots
Everyone is smart at somethings & fucking retarded at others what those things are depends on the person; it's sad to say "mundane" things like driving usually comes in the latter for alot of people it just doesn't carry interest for them, it's just a way to get A to B, so why be smart at it.

NZTA works hard making sure people don't need to take an interest in driving, car manufactures have done a bit too the end result is a road full of people that don't want to or have to care; How to make them care? Don't know, either revert to the "dangerous" vehicles/roads of yesteryear or maybee we'll just have to work on changing peoples attitudes to self drive cars for when they become a thing & then finally implement a licencing system that only passes those who can actually drive

100mm long spike on the steering wheel should do it.

[eldog]

I saw human error on a Grande scale this morning on the way to work at a railway crossing. There is a tee intersection a couple of metres just after. The tee intersection was jammed. I managed to be on the free side approaching railway. 6 cars jammed in across railway and tee intersection on one side really only room for 2.
One newly arrived import crossed the double yellow. And then tried to force me back. Usually I would ok, but today nah. Learn the road rules. Forced him to back over railway line. And onto his side of road. Tuff if a train was coming as he was driving a community van he should be a better driver.

Learn to look ahead when driving numb nut.

Human error can cost lives.

[T.W.R]

I assess the people I have on a course and did so that day. I then decide where to take them, based on their skills, maturity and confidence.

Of course, you are in a far better position to make that call, sitting behind your keyboard never having met those people.

In future I'll PM you the day before I run a course and ask you where to take them.

Thanks for your help.

well that's a rather more immature & childish response than expected, though with the amount of "I"s in it a pompous retort also.

If you did make the judgement call based on the capabilities of the group and took them into that environment knowing full well what to expect good for you.....yet still have a pissy over some knuckle draggers....well done; there's nothing like a bit of time at the coal face to get newbs dirty & exposing them to the filth that's out there.

If you can't face the fact of what was said then that's your prerogative
Though with the recent tone of a few of your replies posted there's a few cracks starting to appear in the squeaky clean shell. So if you want to throw smug taunts go right ahead.

Actually I have been wondering which episode hooked you & who did you dream of being Jon or Ponch? because you fit right into that generation of cop and it ain't all beer & skittles once you leave the uniform behind.

[Moi]

vote. fucken. akzle.

Is that the best you can do?

[Moi]

A big call stating that appalling driving leads to fatal crashes...

Why I used the word "possibly"...

[Moi]

the shit thing is that julie anne genter is an unelected official who only moved here 9 years ago (from the states, no less) and is a bicycle loving idiot

whatever she comes up with we're fucked

get ready for GPS anklets for all Motorcycle riders so they can ping us automatically for

speeding
unsafe acceleration
passing too close to a precious bicyclist
making a mean noise with your motor
looking scary and scaring people

enjoy the lifestyle while you can lads, this shit ain't gonna last forever!

Feeling a tad guilty?

[FJRider]

Constant paranoia can't be good for your mental health though?

It's really not so much paranoia ... just guesses what a particular motorist might do.

Like ... motorists that are -

parked on the side of the road ...

waiting at busy intersections for a gap (big enough for them) in the traffic flow ...

driving or backing out of driveways ...

coming up behind you at speed ...

approaching you on/near/weaving /over the center-line ...

moving or parked with their indicators on ...

and my personal favorite ...

Following a vehicle with the driver looking at an opened map in front of them. It does surprise me how often I guess right though.

ESP .. ??? maybe ... ???


There are plenty of other situations I try to guess ... it helps keep me alert (this country NEEDS more lerts) ... Feel free to try it yourself. It IS free ... and you might surprise yourself how good you are at it. The endless supply of IDIOTS this country breeds give you a good chance of success.

It may even save your life ...

[FJRider]

Explain then how someone can be taught to see around bends? One of my not at fault accidents was such an accident. Even if I did have the ability like you to see around bends it would have been little use in my situation as I was coming to the end of a one way bridge and there was nowhere to swerve anyway.

The "thing" about one way bridges are ... few seem to realize that the little red arrows (or the big black ones) on the signs at either end of one way bridges mean.

The first on the bridge does NOT have automatic right of way. So ... until you can see if the way is clear ... slow down and be prepared to stop to let traffic cross. EVEN ... if the bridge signs indicate you have right of way.

Thus ... your "not my fault accident" might not need to have happened. YOUR stupidity and ignorance caused it.

Not your fault .. ?? BULL SHIT .. !!!

[FJRider]

And I bet each day you make it home at night you say I got lucky today in making it home despite all the screws of others I encountered. As I have said many times though how lucky you get depends on their distance and speed from you when they screw up.

Nope ... nothing LUCKY about it. My guesses come under the heading of situational awareness. Seeing problems before they become big problems for you.

And ... I avoid screws if I see them ... they're hard on tires ...