But not the short term memory loss. . .Originally Posted by rastuscat
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No8 Wire Extraordinaire
But not the short term memory loss. . .
Hmm, this post loses its potency being on the next page from the duplicates.
Don't you look at my accountant.
He's the only one I've got.
Kruger-Dunning Parts n Service
This happens a LOT I guess......... Some truck drivers even "hide" stuff in toolboxes or cab to please customers but not me thanks, the fines are too big.
Hazardous goods storage/transport in this country are a real pet peeve of mine.
The worst thing is we are subjected to this rort due a disaster that was not even a road accident related. NZ adopted the UN code for road transport of DG's shortly after the ICI warehouse fire, which was caused by hydraulic fluid leaking from a forklift onto pool chemicals or similar.
So you do a DG course and its very basic but the price isn't and you don't even learn all of the rules or idiosycracies that can result in a fine. You learn enough to be legally liable for substantial fines for not following certain processes, kinda like signing a drivers licence, you agree to the rules of the game.
So its a great idea we teach people to segregate dangerous chemicals, but a truck and trailer or the two trailers of a b-train are regarded as separate vehicles if separated by more than 700mm (which is kinda all of them). So you can have 10 tonne of flammable liquid in truck (or front trailer) and 15 ton of organic peroxide in back trailer and that's 100% LEGAL. But in a substantial crash the two are bound to mix......
Anyways back to topic, you battery is NOT a hazardous good if its part of the motive power/starter of the vehicle being transported. But remove it or have a spare like in your case and it cant travel except as hazardous cargo....
Unless you joe blow public carrying it for free.... how long til uber starts carting DG's...
The funny thing is people are petrified of petrol tankers but whats in some curtain siders some nights is much more dangerous...
One thing that cracked me up on one DG course is the instructor said if placard x is displayed the fire brigade will immediately retreat to safe distance (some 800m) and wait till the have safe gear to rescue you. He was trying to explain the $2000 fine for having a placard up for dgs that you didn't need once you were empty or didn't have them etc. So I wonder how many drivers in that room weighed the options... (cause the fine is same in opposite circumstances, loaded with dg but fail to show placard) be legal and die because the fire brigade cant rescue you till the gear gets there, or get rescued earlier and live to pay a $2000 fine ($10,000 for company)....
Whats really annoying though is all this drama for when its on the move, but the most dangerous time is probably when its on the floor of a freight forwarder transport shed, stowed (legally?) very closely to all the other dangerous chemicals as its only 'temporary' yet multiple forklifts whizzing about a drivers hurriedly loading trying to escape Auckland...
Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket - Eric Hoffer
Low personal B.M.E.P.
All correct re DG cartage. I was once in my working career, a freight truck driver in rural canty...I was probably more aware than most in the company just what I was carrying, hidden by trade names. More than once, I rearranged cargo to at least give a margin for movement...
How often do you have to sit the DG ? I'm pretty sure I've still got F endorsement but no idea if I'm still current DG.
Forum whore
It's a new battery. The acid is in a separate bottle.
If I get the acid taken out, is it still dangerous goods?
Chillin
Is this a rhetorical question?
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Hardcore Biker
The courier needs steel toecaps, obviously.
And a back brace.
"Ride with the wind" by Christopher Cross
Kruger-Dunning Parts n Service
Your drivers licence will show expiry date for D hazardous goods, thinks it’s 3 years or similar? F endorsement only relates to operating on public road, which is actually any site or yard that someone could drive into without gates or access control. F endorsement usually is longer than the OSH forklift cert by some strange twist of beauracracy.
I researched this very much as I had a 10 year F endorsement, but osh forklift only valid for typically 2 maybe 3 years max now. And osh fines are much bigger than any traffic fines related to F endorsement.
Latest OSH forklift courses are very good and well worth doing, well you have to anyway sooner or later...
Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket - Eric Hoffer
Kruger-Dunning Parts n Service
All that matters is the black and white diamond with a number 8 on it (corrosive). If that’s on the branded product packaging no courier or trucker will carry it as non hazardous as that label is what your former colleagues will issue the ticket based upon. However if you put it in its own box, with out the acid, call it motorcycle parts and don’t tell no one it’s a battery you will prob beat the system
Class 8 are the worst DG. Can’t go in same vehicle as 2 flame gas, 5.1 5.2 oxides, foodstuffs. Unless in certified segregation bin but there’s never enough of those about....
Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket - Eric Hoffer
Forum whore
yup and the hilarious part of that is class 8 covers both acids and alkalis which can be stored together legally (but definitely not advisable). mix em an i definitely aint coming to do a snatch rescue when ya crash.All that matters is the black and white diamond with a number 8 on it (corrosive). If that’s on the branded product packaging no courier or trucker will carry it as non hazardous as that label is what your former colleagues will issue the ticket based upon. However if you put it in its own box, with out the acid, call it motorcycle parts and don’t tell no one it’s a battery you will prob beat the system
Class 8 are the worst DG. Can’t go in same vehicle as 2 flame gas, 5.1 5.2 oxides, foodstuffs. Unless in certified segregation bin but there’s never enough of those about....
ya F endorsement only expires when you do (unless of course you piss the legalists off)
sat my f way back in 02 but was to tight to get it endorsed on my license so never did until i needed it for a job in 2011, rang up the outfit that took the course and they emailed me a copy of the original cert and i took that in and now i have the F permanent on my license
Hardcore Biker
Bungy it on top of the transit trucks battery, then what is the problem?
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Forum whore
Problem is he picked the bike up, and left the battery behind. He ain't coming back for the battery.
Hardcore Biker
So sell the battery where it is (as is where is, collect only, no tire kickers, one careful lady owner etc.) and buy a replacement where the bike is.
Bish, bash, bosh, job's a good'un.
"Ride with the wind" by Christopher Cross
No8 Wire Extraordinaire
Christmas tree back up battery.
Don't you look at my accountant.
He's the only one I've got.
Kruger-Dunning Parts n Service
Also if I remember rightly, there is no minimum for 8's with regard to placarding. So carry one piddly bike battery and you have to run your 8 or bumblebee DG placard but you can carry up to 60 litres of flammable liquid before your class 3 plcard or bumble bee goes up. Now which poses a greater or more imminent threat to ER crews????
Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket - Eric Hoffer
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