It Won't Happen To Me, I don't need to change.

[caspernz]

If he did discuss my posts in his riding school classes I bet he would leave my views about shit happening at different speeds and distances when some one else is at fault out.

You're not that special.

The group you belong to are those who believe there is nothing they can learn.

What is mildly unique is you claim the ability to form an opinion on stuff you've no personal experience of, then dispense this opinion as fact. Hence the negative feedback you experience.

By all means keep on amusing us

[Racing Dave]

As seen on the TranzAlpine Scooter Safari 2016.

[rastuscat]

Well they have different licenses for different trucks and that is in the interest of safety is it not? Do we want to improve group ride safety or not? If we imposed a special license for group riding, would having to get the special license keep the crazies away? I think it would.

Do you have a better idea? I dont think just offering special group riding classes will work as you will never shake off the attraction to group rides by those that want to be seen as the fastest in the group even if it means risking death.

Strangely, my suggestion to solve group ride problems such as following too closely are based on individual behaviour. Like, it's hard to catch a school of fish, you catch lots of individual fish.

If each individual pulled their socks up, Santa wouldn't have enough socks to stow my Christmas pressies.

[rastuscat]

If he did discuss my posts in his riding school classes I bet he would leave my views about shit happening at different speeds and distances when some one else is at fault out.

EJK knows that on my courses, I raise the issue of fault, and then tell people that whose fault it is makes little difference to your broken leg, broken arm and ruptured spleen.

I then go on to talk about things we can do to prevent someone else's mistakes turning into me lying in the back of an ambulance or a hearse.

[Woodman]

When I pass opinion on not at fault crashes I have very much had experience of them unlike many on here who just take the riding school line that non at fault crashes are avoidable just as easily as situations you can get into all by yourself.

But, you moron, maybe if you were paying attention instead of relying on luck you may have not had as many accidents. You moron.

[Banditbandit]

Staggered formation is not restricted. You ride your own ride and to the road and traffic conditions which can change rapidly. In a group rides awareness of others in your group is important and a valid reason to ride with people you can trust. My group for instance in passing manoeuvre the passing bike pulls to the left after the pass to allow followers room to do so with a safer space, keeping a safe following distance so rider can use the full road if need be, leave a stop in orderly patient file, etc, there is no restriction?

The worst group rides tend to be those with people you are not accustomed to their riding skills. On these have observed idiots who pass inside, follow way too close, pass too close, speed and weave between bikes, etc. Rides to hold back on as there is never any pressure to keep up. Been on a few ride rides (not my group) where the group go full noise from A to B which is really great as by the time I arrive at the pub the shit line beer has by then been pumped into their jugs and mine is fresh.

Exactly

And I'm not talking about small group rides - or a group f friends ... I'm talking about an organized and open group ride - such as a Toy Run ... where you're going to be with people you have never met or ridden with ...

I've been on a very big and annual group ride - fucking madness - seven or eight bikes went down .. all individually .. I'll never do that run again - people were told "ride your own ride' - so they did !!! Dumb fuckers with too much testosterone ...

[granstar]

I guess it would if motorbike cops joined in the group ride too. A motorbike cop in ChCh told me a few years ago most police find motorcycle riding too dangerous today however. So for it to work in ChCh there would have to be police in cars keeping the group under control.

From experience with an annual charity run my group organised. Police were liased with and let them know our intentions, date and time to group ride through town and asked for their usual kind assistance to navigate in respect of traffic management (they had done in the past). A refusal came saying they were too busy fighting crime ( we are talking about Chernobyl of the South here). So a careful and safe run was held by ensuring with a pre ride pep talk and the group obeyed all road rules. Wouldn't you know it, close to the meet point to drop off gifts in aid of underprivileged children for Easter it was I as tail end Charlie who got pulled over and interrogated rudely by (the busy) attitude Police asking what our group were up to in a tone as if we were all some bad ass patched biker gang up to no good ; fuckers!

[granstar]

You're not that special.

The group you belong to are those who believe there is nothing they can learn.

What is mildly unique is you claim the ability to form an opinion on stuff you've no personal experience of, then dispense this opinion as fact. Hence the negative feedback you experience.

By all means keep on amusing us

Nailed It!

[granstar]

Strangely, my suggestion to solve group ride problems such as following too closely are based on individual behaviour. Like, it's hard to catch a school of fish, you catch lots of individual fish.

If each individual pulled their socks up, Santa wouldn't have enough socks to stow my Christmas pressies.

But have you been a good boy?

[granstar]

Sometimes I wonder if you discuss about Cassina during Ride Forever courses.

Er,,you fuckin just wouldn't

[awayatc]

Staggered formation is not . Been on a few ride rides (not my group) where the group go full noise from A to B which is really great as by the time I arrive at the pub the shit line beer has by then been pumped into their jugs and mine is fresh.

when i see alcohol on a group ride......
I am out of there.

car .....legal limit
Bike....zero limit

[caspernz]

When I pass opinion on not at fault crashes I have very much had experience of them unlike many on here who just take the riding school line that non at fault crashes are avoidable just as easily as situations you can get into all by yourself.

Look I know this is a pointless exercise, but here goes. You keep saying how accidents just drop out of thin air for you, yet if you attended some training courses you'd be able to learn situational awareness, so you can see stuff developing. It's not rocket science, it does however require you to attend with an open mind. I'll be upfront and admit that in the past, I too thought there was nothing I could do in some situations, and then I was shown how.

Will I be able to avoid all accidents? Nope, but I'll do my utmost to avoid or at least minimize the severity of an accident.

[Woodman]

Look I know this is a pointless exercise, but here goes. You keep saying how accidents just drop out of thin air for you, yet if you attended some training courses you'd be able to learn situational awareness, so you can see stuff developing. It's not rocket science, it does however require you to attend with an open mind. I'll be upfront and admit that in the past, I too thought there was nothing I could do in some situations, and then I was shown how.

Will I be able to avoid all accidents? Nope, but I'll do my utmost to avoid or at least minimize the severity of an accident.

You are right, it won't understand. It won't understand because it has had 4 or 5 accidents which were totally unavoidable by anyone ever.

[rastuscat]

My top tip for today's ride.

Don't ride like a nob. And expect everyone else to drive/ride like a nob.

More safety gems next week.

Donuts.

[skippa1]

Sickening.



How about we front foot stuff, and consider that however unlikely, no matter how flash a rider we are, it just might happen to us. Imagine that. We have the chance to change our outcomes. Wow, revelation.

m.

I am constantly amazed, when people are talking about my accident with me, how they make comments like, aw yeah, i ride really carefully, or, yeah im pretty cautious, or, i am pretty aware of my surroundings......like i Wasnt,

on a 100kmh stretch of road, when an approaching car swerves into your lane less than 50m from you, when hes doing 40-50 and you are doing 100.....no amount of care, awareness or caution is going to save your bacon or in my case, rigt leg. 1-2 seconds at best to assess and manage....

you just dont know and cant anticipate that kind of situation.....it can happen to anyone