It Won't Happen To Me, I don't need to change.

**RDJ** · 11th January 2018, 18:16

'Near enough!' only counts with horseshoes and hand grenades...

**granstar** · 11th January 2018, 20:09

Staggered formation is not restricted. You ride your own ride and to the road and traffic conditions which can change rapidly. In a group rides awareness of others in your group is important and a valid reason to ride with people you can trust. My group for instance in passing manoeuvre the passing bike pulls to the left after the pass to allow followers room to do so with a safer space, keeping a safe following distance so rider can use the full road if need be, leave a stop in orderly patient file, etc, there is no restriction?

The worst group rides tend to be those with people you are not accustomed to their riding skills. On these have observed idiots who pass inside, follow way too close, pass too close, speed and weave between bikes, etc. Rides to hold back on as there is never any pressure to keep up. Been on a few ride rides (not my group) where the group go full noise from A to B which is really great as by the time I arrive at the pub the shit line beer has by then been pumped into their jugs and mine is fresh.

**Woodman** · 11th January 2018, 20:58

Originally Posted by cassina

Maybe then the solution to reckless group riding could be to have a separate class of motorcycle license you have to get to participate in group rides. Pre ride safety briefings just dont work from a video I saw.

Fuck off....

**granstar** · 11th January 2018, 20:59

Originally Posted by Woodman

Fuck off....

,,,,,,,,,,,,, Agree!

**caspernz** · 11th January 2018, 21:41

Originally Posted by cassina

By restricting the position riders are able to be on the road lane it gives no consideration to the likelyhood of a vehicle screwing up and the restricted group rider being in no position to swerve.

Sorry but you're shoveling bull crap again, the man below has the right idea.

Originally Posted by granstar

Staggered formation is not restricted. You ride your own ride and to the road and traffic conditions which can change rapidly. In a group rides awareness of others in your group is important and a valid reason to ride with people you can trust. My group for instance in passing manoeuvre the passing bike pulls to the left after the pass to allow followers room to do so with a safer space, keeping a safe following distance so rider can use the full road if need be, leave a stop in orderly patient file, etc, there is no restriction?

Yep, that works well with a disciplined group

Originally Posted by cassina

Maybe then the solution to reckless group riding could be to have a separate class of motorcycle license you have to get to participate in group rides. Pre ride safety briefings just dont work from a video I saw.

Oh please, you're taking this thread off topic again, stop rabbiting on about stuff you have no actual experience of.

Can we invoke rule #4 yet chaps?

**Akzle** · 11th January 2018, 23:24

Originally Posted by cassina

Maybe then the solution to reckless group riding could be to have a separate class of motorcycle license you have to get to participate in group rides. Pre ride safety briefings just dont work from a video I saw.

ahem. how may i say this to avoid the gremwrath...

you aren't not a fuckwit.

**rastuscat** · 12th January 2018, 06:39

Originally Posted by cassina

Maybe then the solution to reckless group riding could be to have a separate class of motorcycle license you have to get to participate in group rides. Pre ride safety briefings just dont work from a video I saw.

Indicative of your propensity to "solve" problems with unrealistic and impractical solutions.

Still, I support your right to be silly.

**YellowDog** · 12th January 2018, 08:03

When I used to go on large charity rides, back in the UK, they were always well marshalled. The organisers were responsible for ensuring the success of the event and below standard riders, not behaving appropriately, were given a 'Dry Slap' and then excluded, if they didn't pull their heads in. The group ride rules and formation was made clear to all, so there were no excuses.

The marshalling was almost always done by pro-instructors and cops. It only takes one or two idiots to destroy an event and their job was to identify these, as early as possible, and remove them from the equation.

The marshalling never affected my riding, but I did have mates whom were pissed off at not being allowed to do their own thing. Not quite the same as half a dozen mates doing the Coro Loop together

But my point is that there are tried and tested systems that work well for larger group rides.

**ellipsis** · 12th January 2018, 08:32

...the only group rides I've ever been on were led by RC...everyone tried to keep up but he was too fast...

**YellowDog** · 12th January 2018, 09:12

Originally Posted by cassina

As I pointed out in a previous post this does not work in ChCh anyway when a St John Ambulance fundraising GR that had a safetly briefing was ignored by some.

It is a system that works and would also work in CHCH if it was adopted.

"safetly briefing was ignored by some" - Oh no.... doomed to failure then

**EJK** · 12th January 2018, 09:25

Originally Posted by rastuscat

Indicative of your propensity to "solve" problems with unrealistic and impractical solutions.

Still, I support your right to be silly.

Sometimes I wonder if you discuss about Cassina during Ride Forever courses.

**YellowDog** · 12th January 2018, 09:26

Originally Posted by cassina

I guess it would if motorbike cops joined in the group ride too. A motorbike cop in ChCh told me a few years ago most police find motorcycle riding too dangerous today however. So for it to work in ChCh there would have to be police in cars keeping the group under control.

No need to reinvent the wheel. There are systems that already do work successfully.

**awayatc** · 12th January 2018, 10:07

Originally Posted by cassina

If he did discuss my posts in his riding school classes I bet he would leave my views about shit happening at different speeds and distances when some one else is at fault out.

Not your post woman....

You as a phenomenon....

A rider/driver as thick as a post