Motorcycle Gangs

[Zed]

The new Bloke on this site raised an interesting question: "Do the biker gangs (black power etc) give non-gang bikers any trouble or do they keep themselves to themselves?"

Following is a snipet taken from the NZ Herald last June:

Gangs such as Black Power and the Mongrel Mob - who squared off in Whakatane last weekend - have a tight grip on the manufacture, sale and distribution of methamphetamines, drugs more commonly known as speed. Both gangs have grown more sophisticated and the heads of some units have begun to co-operate with each other to dominate the drug market.
"So what we're seeing now is an escalation of violence as a result of methamphetamine."
The drug was so strong and addictive that some motorcycle gangs had barred their members from using it, he said.

Whakatane and Palmerston North were recent hot-spots but the Mongrel Mob and Black Power have also clashed in Taupo, Christchurch and Gisborne lately.

Both gangs established themselves in the late 1950s, early 1960s and have always fought to assert their dominance. Each has thousands of members, associates and prospects nationwide.

Personally I've never had any runins with gangs, mainly because I've avoided those areas commonly regarded as gang territory, but you may have?


Zed

[What?]

The worst gang out there ride ST1100's, or more commonly drive Commodores and Falcons. Nasty bunch - their MO is extortion

[merv]

The worst gang out there ride ST1100's, or more commonly drive Commodores and Falcons. Nasty bunch - their MO is extortion

Yep higway robbery and intimidation.

[bondagebunny]

black power and mongrel mob are not bike gangs - they are enthnic based street gangs, only a few of there members ride bikes. most go around in big cars.
There are plenty of Biker Clubs, Hells Angels being best know but most towns have their own club, Out Casts-Hamilton, Titans-Matamata, Loners-Levin, etc. It goes on - even the smallest of towns has a patch club.

To me it is all rather silly, but not as silly as the Old folk who insist on trying to be what they never had the balls to be when they were young, but now they are old and grey they feel the need to try to recapture what they never had, the only difference is money, so they buy a HD or big cruiser, put a cartoon bignose drawing on their back and delude themselves into thinking they are "Real Bikers.

Old Farts take note MOney cant buy you a life style, or Cool. Stop being so sad and get a real life, even if it is as a banker (spelt with a silent W).

And before you all get septic on me - there are some old folk who ride, and ride well, just for the love of it, like the rest of us - but they are the minority.
So if your going to complain - imagine you are 1 of those, and it is the rest I refer to.

HOG owners are the same - most buy HD because they feel it makes people look at them, makes them different, makes them cool, attracts the 50+ wannabe biker mamas to them like flys, or hopefully a young impressionable 40 year old. NO one I know rides a HD because they are a great bike, stylish yes, a fashion statement - yes, holds its value -yes, but a great bike - no.
And Yes I have owned them.
When I get so sad I need an object to make people notice me I will cover my face in piercings or tattoos - people notice those too.

[bluninja]

To me it is all rather silly, but not as silly as the Old folk who insist on trying to be what they never had the balls to be when they were young, but now they are old and grey they feel the need to try to recapture what they never had, the only difference is money, so they buy a HD or big cruiser, put a cartoon bignose drawing on their back and delude themselves into thinking they are "Real Bikers".

So a young penniless HOG rider is ok then ? LMAO. People ride bikes for lots of reasons, and many like to identify with a community or group of like minded people. Nothing wrong with that in my book. For many riders their bikes are actually a lifestyle choice(Harleys, Goldwings, Weekend warriors)...... who's to say they aren't the real bikers?

I wonder what people think when they see a whole bunch of bikers with their Kiwi Biker "patch" on

[Zed]

black power and mongrel mob are not bike gangs - they are enthnic based street gangs, only a few of there members ride bikes. most go around in big cars.
There are plenty of Biker Clubs, Hells Angels being best know but most towns have their own club, Out Casts-Hamilton, Titans-Matamata, Loners-Levin, etc. It goes on - even the smallest of towns has a patch club.

To me it is all rather silly, but not as silly as the Old folk...

Hey Bunny, you sound like you know a bit about these bike gangs? I don't now how you digressed into the "aged bikers" thing , but back to the thread- Do you know what these gangs think about other non-affiliated bikers? Exactly what experience have you had with motorcycle gangs?

Thanks.


Zed

[James Deuce]

black power and mongrel mob are not bike gangs - they are enthnic based street gangs, only a few of there members ride bikes. most go around in big cars.
There are plenty of Biker Clubs, Hells Angels being best know but most towns have their own club, Out Casts-Hamilton, Titans-Matamata, Loners-Levin, etc. It goes on - even the smallest of towns has a patch club.

To me it is all rather silly, but not as silly as the Old folk who insist on trying to be what they never had the balls to be when they were young, but now they are old and grey they feel the need to try to recapture what they never had, the only difference is money, so they buy a HD or big cruiser, put a cartoon bignose drawing on their back and delude themselves into thinking they are "Real Bikers.

Old Farts take note MOney cant buy you a life style, or Cool. Stop being so sad and get a real life, even if it is as a banker (spelt with a silent W).

And before you all get septic on me - there are some old folk who ride, and ride well, just for the love of it, like the rest of us - but they are the minority.
So if your going to complain - imagine you are 1 of those, and it is the rest I refer to.

HOG owners are the same - most buy HD because they feel it makes people look at them, makes them different, makes them cool, attracts the 50+ wannabe biker mamas to them like flys, or hopefully a young impressionable 40 year old. NO one I know rides a HD because they are a great bike, stylish yes, a fashion statement - yes, holds its value -yes, but a great bike - no.
And Yes I have owned them.
When I get so sad I need an object to make people notice me I will cover my face in piercings or tattoos - people notice those too.

Nothing like a bit of bigotry to round the day off.

[Jackrat]

Bondagebunny,I have owned two HDs.They were both good bikes.

[mangell6]

In Upper Hutt the local BIKE gang, Shin feign (sp), keep to themselves and even arrange some poker runs and other 'charity' events. This is a later thing as they have got older. Most 'biker gangs' will leave you alone if you leave them alone.
In the seventies, at the height of the real biker gangs, my brother and I were heading on a surfing trip to New Plymouth from the Mount. As we travelled up the Kaimais thirty bikes came up behind us, yes it was a biker gang, the real McCoy. They split into two groups one in front and one behind and stayed with us for seventeen hours til we got near the top of the Kaimais - at least it felt that long, then they headed off into the distance. We sweated like you wouldn't believe.

[onearmedbandit]

Well looks like bondagebunny has everyone sown up into different groups. Geez man, get over yourself.

[MikeL]

Who is this Bondagebunny person who pontificates about older riders as if he had done some serious sociological research and had some real, valid data on which to hang his prejudices? Has he been on many Ulysses rides? Met a diverse cross-section of members? Been to their meetings? Exactly how many older riders has he canvassed to discover and analyse their motivations, past and present riding habits, financial status and so on, so as to be able to confidently dismiss the majority as deluded, pathetic old farts?

I had thought that what happened with our religion topic might have served as a warning...

BTW re old farts:
When I was twenty, I was a firm believer in euthanasia for people over 40. After all, who would want to live such a useless, pathetic life? As I neared 40 I realized that my earlier judgement had been too harsh. Kill them at 50. Now it's clear to me that a more appropriate age would be 60...

[ching_ching]

Hi folks,

Haven't had much contact with bikie gangs myself. But the odd ones that I've seen like at the Shell servo or something:-

All I tend to do is if I see them and I have my bike, if eye contact is made, just give a little nod as an acknowledgement that we have at least something in common (two wheels) but that's about it. I don't really stick around to chit chat.

BTW bondagebunny, can I ask have you ridden with members from a gang or sat down and talked to them?

ching

[Kickaha]

I've ridden with a gang once and that was to a friends birthday party, awesome with about 30 bikes riding at night,passed most of them when we hit the shingle road and beat them to the party.

At the party they were just normal guys,but I wouldn't want to piss one off with all his mates present.

Another guy I knew was ex Black Power and he was a A grade tosser,always on about how they had beat this guy up and robbed someone else blah,blah,blah.

[bondagebunny]

that anyone who has a back patch is either a gang member or a wannabe gang member -

I made the connection, between gangs, and old farts, but I didnt make the old farts wear a back patch. That was their choice. I am free to disagree with their choice.

When Joe Lunchbox sees a back patch he/she thinks GANG, why would any one who is not a gang member want the public at large to think he/she is a GANG member.

Unless they wanted to be a staunch dude when they were young but were two wimpy to cut the mustard - now they want to PLAY at being a tuff dude.

I admit to being bigoted when it comes to that, but I feel anyone who wears a back patch does a disservice to all other bikers

You dont have to agree, you dont have to like it, I dont care.

TO those who asked if I have Knowledge of gangs - yes.
leave them alone wont bother you if you dont bother them.

[Zed]

TO those who asked if I have Knowledge of gangs - yes. leave them alone wont bother you if you dont bother them.

...and yet most if not all gang related crimes e.g assult, etc, are unprovoked attacks on innocents! Of course noone intentionally bothers a gang member, you don't have to- they are scouting for trouble and will come to you! Therefore, I just stay away from areas where gang activity is known...such as Ruatoria!


Zed