Motorcycle Gangs

**Jackrat** · 7th February 2004, 07:05

Zed,I have to disagree on one thing but agree on another.
I have had quite a bit of contact with gangs.I have a brother who is a member of a bike gang,As far as I can see you are right,A lot of attacks by these guys are due to nothing more than looking at them wrong.
At one time I would vist my brothers club for the odd party or go on a run with them.Well I can't remember many partys or runs when some unsuspecting outsider did not get dealt to,there was never a good reason.
As to Ruatoria,I vist the area often both while hunting and while on my bike.
The place has a bad rep' that it doesn't really deserve.
When I think of gangs and places to stay away from I tend to consider certain pubs and similar places rather than towns.With the advent of P these
guys are becoming even more unpredictable.If I am at an event and these guys show I will stay right away from them or leave altogeather.

**merv** · 7th February 2004, 07:54

Originally Posted by bondagebunny

that anyone who has a back patch is either a gang member or a wannabe gang member -

Damn is that why I went for the polo shirt with the patch on the back in the latest T-Shirt order - I really wanted to be accepted as part of the Kiwibiker Gang.

SpankMe now that this Translyvania dude has hit the forums maybe we need you to produce a real patch we can stick on the back of our leather jackets.

**Hitcher** · 7th February 2004, 12:39

Originally Posted by Zed

...and yet most if not all gang related crimes e.g assult, etc, are unprovoked attacks on innocents! Of course noone intentionally bothers a gang member, you don't have to- they are scouting for trouble and will come to you! Therefore, I just stay away from areas where gang activity is known...such as Ruatoria!

Zed

I should start by saying that "all generalisations are false... including this one".

Mrs H and I were through Ruatoria on our 250s back in October. We had a good look around, bought gas, had a yack to some locals including the local cop (he had a Nissan Nivara pursuit vehicle!!). No sign of gangs at all. That's not to say there aren't any. The place is proudly Ngati Porou and probably has a stronger sense of community that most "readilawn" suburbs that get rolled out in parts of Auckland.

**bondagebunny** · 7th February 2004, 12:48

Do you want to wear a backpatch ? If yes then you will join a gang and take your lumps from other gangs and cops etc.

IF you dont wear one - ask yourself why - if the answer is - I dont want to be considered an arsehole by other bikers and the general public - police, and society in general.

THen how can you defend people who do - because there is enuff on bikers already. Backpatches bring more unwarrented notoriety in the small minds of car drivers, police , politicians, insurance people etc.

There can not be two classes of patch, ie the heavy dudes, and the cartoon cutouts who wear them supposedly for fun.

Transylvania rocks - Dracula SUX

**Jackrat** · 7th February 2004, 14:40

Originally Posted by bondagebunny

Do you want to wear a backpatch ? If yes then you will join a gang and take your lumps from other gangs and cops etc.

IF you dont wear one - ask yourself why - if the answer is - I dont want to be considered an arsehole by other bikers and the general public - police, and society in general.

THen how can you defend people who do - because there is enuff on bikers already. Backpatches bring more unwarrented notoriety in the small minds of car drivers, police , politicians, insurance people etc.

There can not be two classes of patch, ie the heavy dudes, and the cartoon cutouts who wear them supposedly for fun.

Transylvania rocks - Dracula SUX

And just why can there not be two classes of patch,,Because you can't tell the difference??. know a lot of Ulyesses members some who wear a back patch some who don't,Not one that would give a flying fuck what you think.
Hell my sixty year old mother can tell the difference,so does every cop Iv'e ever spoken to.So tell us,What's your real problem??
Come on we won't laugh.

**Zed** · 7th February 2004, 15:11

Originally Posted by Zed

...and yet most if not all gang related crimes e.g assult, etc, are unprovoked attacks on innocents! Of course noone intentionally bothers a gang member, you don't have to- they are scouting for trouble and will come to you! Therefore, I just stay away from areas where gang activity is known...such as Ruatoria!

Zed

Ruatoria has got a bad reputation becuase of its past gang related activity, I used it as an example to make my point. It's good if things have improved there over the years!

Zed

**Zed** · 7th February 2004, 15:16

Gangs, gangs, & more gangs...

Organised crime in New Zealand

University of Canterbury
Dept. of Socialogy

...Just as globalisation has been a growing phenomenon of legitimate business in recent decades, so has gang activity become internationalised. The oldest of New Zealand's gangs today, the Hell's Angels Motorcycle Club (HAMC), had international connections from the time of its establishment in 1961. HAMC (Auckland) was in fact the first Angels chapter established outside of California. The Hell's Angels are now a worldwide organisation, with at least 67 chapters in 13 different countries. Of the gangs in America, the HAMC is currently the wealthiest and most powerful. Two of America's other powerful gangs, the Outlaws and the Bandidos, also have significant offshore interests, including in New Zealand. Here it has been reported that the Highway 61 gang is on the verge of buying into the Bandidos MC World's international franchise.

New Zealand gangs have exported their influence as well. Highway 61 chapters now exist in Australia, as do chapters of the Mongrel Mob. Within New Zealand, as in Australia and America, a degree of syndication has occurred between various gangs. The Hell's Angels are believed to have co-operative links with groups such as the Headhunters in Auckland and the Road Knights in the South Island. A separate group of six gangs known as 'The Federation' also works co-operatively thoughout New Zealand, outside of the HAMC network.

**bondagebunny** · 7th February 2004, 16:43

back you will see I dont care if they give a flying fuck if they care or not.

I dont give the credit for intelligence to car drivers that you seem to - I dont believe they can tell the difference when a rider goes zipping past, or even more when they ride in a pack as some of the cartoon bignose guys do.

Here is an example.

What gives these guys the right to stop other traffic in an intersection so that 20 or 30 of their mates can ride thru against the lights.

Would the KIWIBIKER people out on their ride to the movies do this.

I have seen this sort of riding in town and out on the open road where traffic that has the right of way has a bike firmly parked across the road so these wannabes can all stay together. Lets face if they like the GANG image of tuff biker in leathers and want to play act.

I call it as I see it and I dont give a f**k what they think either.

**Jackrat** · 7th February 2004, 17:59

Originally Posted by bondagebunny

back you will see I dont care if they give a flying fuck if they care or not.

I dont give the credit for intelligence to car drivers that you seem to - I dont believe they can tell the difference when a rider goes zipping past, or even more when they ride in a pack as some of the cartoon bignose guys do.

Here is an example.

What gives these guys the right to stop other traffic in an intersection so that 20 or 30 of their mates can ride thru against the lights.

Would the KIWIBIKER people out on their ride to the movies do this.

I have seen this sort of riding in town and out on the open road where traffic that has the right of way has a bike firmly parked across the road so these wannabes can all stay together. Lets face if they like the GANG image of tuff biker in leathers and want to play act.

I call it as I see it and I dont give a f**k what they think either.

Oh dear what a sad little thing you are.
Why don't you come on the west pac ride an tell us all about it.

O sorry you would of course need a bike.
Maybe thats your real problem Hmmmmmmm.

**bondagebunny** · 7th February 2004, 19:33

real bikes - west pac ride, toy runs etc are not the same as a group of 20 club people out for a days ride.

That is a charity thing that takes some control or it would turn into a shambles - 20 people who have to ride so close together that they cant be broken up by traffic is an indication of insecurity. Or perhaps they dont know where to go -
Or may be only one of them carries the incontinence pants and they dont want to miss our at the next stop.

or maybe they just dont want to be late to the camel stables and get an ugly one.

**bondagebunny** · 7th February 2004, 19:39

ive probably been on more of those charity runs than you have - been going to most of them since they started - trying to show bikers in a good light.

ANd try to undo some of the image damage done by the patch wearers.

I note you didnt answer my questions - would you ride like that to the movies.
do you wear a patch to show the world youre an arsehole or can they tell
without it.

Do you call every one you dont agree with a troll - is yours the only opinion that matters

What ever happend to freedom of speach

**bluninja** · 7th February 2004, 20:00

Originally Posted by bondagebunny

What ever happend to freedom of speach

you're still using it aren't you?

As for patches on peoples backs...I don't care if they have tassles on their sleeves...if it does something positive for them..good on them.

I personally have never been threatened or intimidated on or off my bike by a patch wearing gang member. I avoid known or perceived dodgy haunts, so I guess I live in a different world to the 'typical' patch gang members, and that colours my perception.

**Jackrat** · 7th February 2004, 20:41

BB,I helped put the very first toy run in the country togeather,Plus the first blood run ,I was on the first BRONZ commitie.I have run into dozens of people like you over the years,All full of your own self importance but not much else.
And no I don't wear a patch,And yes most people can tell I'm an asshole with out one.If you want to come on a site like this and make the stupid comments you have,not only on this thread but others as well,then exspect to attract people like me,I love to have a go at anybody,and I can cop the flack in return.By the way do you know who runs the west pac run.
When anybody sees the Ulysses they Do know the difference,Unless they are utterly blind like you seem to be.Maybe you havn't noticed but we ain't living in the seventys anymore.
Like I said come on the run and tell us about it,I would be only to happy to discuss your views face to face,Or you could just hide behind the safety of
your PC and spew your views on the world.Like I said just a troll.Prove me wrong.

**bondagebunny** · 7th February 2004, 21:34

not hiding behind my PC anymore than anyone else here -

I enjoy a good wind up - do you?

We have already crossed paths.

**bondagebunny** · 7th February 2004, 21:38

I have run into dozens of people like you over the years,All full of your own self importance but not much else.

not much else to me really - just a rider - just a winder of springs.

Im having a good time (wind wind wind) lets go - and yadda yadda yadda.

but it is one way of getting the number of posts up - like all you other dudes I really really really want to be on the top 10 list. or top ten hit list.