Motorcycle Gangs

[jrandom]

I had this cunning idea a while ago. At birth every person is issued with a single shot single use firearm. Once they turn 18 they can use it to kill someone without any legal consequences. There would be huge penalties for using someone elses.

There was an sf short story published back in the 60s or 70s on a similar theme - the idea was that anyone could just go to a public data terminal and dial in the death of anyone else (they all had little self-destruct chips in their brains, or something). Made for a polite society, you see. Can't remember who wrote it.

Of course, the twist in the story was that as soon as you dialed someone in for nixing, *your* self-destruct chip went off. Cleaned out all the sociopaths real fast...

[marty]

And of course, three trained cops can't take down one man.
Do you get tired of defending the indefensible?
Lou

one trained cop took him down lou.

[spudchucka]

And of course, three trained cops can't take down one man.
Do you get tired of defending the indefensible?
Lou

Do you ever get tired of being a one eyed git?

[scumdog]

one trained cop took him down lou.

Quite right Marty! Lou, it points to a certain lack in the grey matter to want to have a go at someone you know has a firearm and you are "only" armed with a golf club or similar, you would have to be a nutter or a loser.

Three cops to take him down? yeah, like cops are trained in synchronised take-down-of-armed person-at-night, - get real, how much do you think they get trained? and if I was in their shoes I would wonder if I was getting paid enough

[SPman]

Knowing many of the people involved in this case, including eyewitnesses and having talked to them, having family and friends in Waitara and having lived there myself, lets just say there were disturbing features on both sides of the case and the whole tragedy should never have happened. The offender was out of it and so were some of the police!
Past history, move on. The trials were mishandled - the result was inevitable from the beginning - the police have made changes to procedures in testing due to this case!
And there were no motorcycle gangs involved!

[spudchucka]

Quite right Marty! Lou, it points to a certain lack in the grey matter to want to have a go at someone you know has a firearm and you are "only" armed with a golf club or similar, you would have to be a nutter or a loser.

Three cops to take him down? yeah, like cops are trained in synchronised take-down-of-armed person-at-night, - get real, how much do you think they get trained? and if I was in their shoes I would wonder if I was getting paid enough

Lou seems to think that cops should be some form of superbeing, capable of apprehending any dangerous offender without suffering any physical consequences. Robo cop was just a movie Lou.

[Big Dog]

I had this cunning idea a while ago. At birth every person is issued with a single shot single use firearm. Once they turn 18 they can use it to kill someone without any legal consequences. There would be huge penalties for using someone elses.

At the risk of being flamed in classic BBQ style.

The flaw in this logic as I see it is that only those with sociopathic tendancies in the first place would actually kill another person for any reason other than self preservation, or preservation of others.

Murder is wrong and hard to deal with even in a justifiable homocide.

I feel confident that in a situation where someone elses life or wellbeing was threatened, I could calmly and methodically kill as many people as it took. I would feel worse if I let them be harmed, easier to live with than the alternative.

I don't think I could do it for my own preservation. That is one hell of a trip.... I killed him.... and widowed his wife.... killed all of his future children.... perhaps killed a loving father.... why? So I could live longer? Who am I to say who should live longer? Same does not go for those who try to threaten me because they want what I earned. That would be a no brainer................
You point a gun at me cos I slept with your wife and her sister. Ce sera sera.
You point it at me cos you want the contents of my till good luck.
You point that same gun at me because you want the key's to my bike you better not drop her and you better be good at hide and seek. Sleep with one eye open!

The problem I see is that by Darwinian selection only the meek and the psycopathic would be around in 1-3 generations. ie those who stayed under the radar and those are the radar.

Violence solves nothing it just trades one set of regrets or problems for another.

[Big Dog]

I would wonder if I was getting paid enough

I have had a gun pointed at me for $10 an hour, I have had one pointed at me for $50, I have had one pointed at me for nothing.

You are never paid enough.

The one for free was way more satisfying than the $50.
If your motivation is money when the time comes B$1 is not enough. You have to beleive that your reason is right, and be prepared to die to defend it.

[SPman]

In a series of psychological studies,approximately 80% of Humans would not knowingly kill another human, unless it was a matter of life and death, protecting their loved ones.
The other 20% would feel little regret in killing someone else! :confused2

Scary!

[Big Dog]

In a series of psychological studies,approximately 80% of Humans would not knowingly kill another human, unless it was a matter of life and death, protecting their loved ones.
The other 20% would feel little regret in killing someone else! :confused2

Scary!

According to pshyc evals done for my airforce application I would feel little remorse in a justifiable, but I lost a lot of sleep recently when I found a poisoned and dying baby mouse and had to put it out of its obvious misery.
The fact that its poor little body was racked with pain and it was going to die any way do little to ease the guilt.

Now if only the little bastard had attacked the pillion, no guilt I'm sure.

[Lou Girardin]

Getting angry Spud? Resorting to personal abuse is a sign of uncertainty in your arguement.
If three cops can't subdue one man without killing him, there is something very wrong. And this comes from personal experience, not imaginings.
Lou

[Big Dog]

Just a random thought, why is it that police are allowed to tranq animals and not humans?

[marty]

Getting angry Spud? Resorting to personal abuse is a sign of uncertainty in your arguement.
If three cops can't subdue one man without killing him, there is something very wrong. And this comes from personal experience, not imaginings.
Lou

sorry lou, but i have issue with this. as far as i know you have never been a police officer. i am happy though to be corrected if i'm wrong.

[El Dopa]

Just a random thought, why is it that police are allowed to tranq animals and not humans?

A lot of good reasons, here's some off the top of my head:

1) If a person is off his head on P or PCP, the tranq might not work

2) Even if it does, it might not have an effect until the perp has already done what he was threatening to do, e.g. pull the trigger and kill a hostage. The effect isn't instantaneous, unlike a bullet.

3) its a lot harder to get a dart into someone and deliver a payload than it is a bullet

4) if a person had a bad allergic reaction or similar and then died as a consequence, the media would be all over it like a rash for weeks on end. "they said it was harmless, but now her son is dead. Someone must take the blame"

[spudchucka]

Getting angry Spud? Resorting to personal abuse is a sign of uncertainty in your arguement.
If three cops can't subdue one man without killing him, there is something very wrong. And this comes from personal experience, not imaginings.
Lou

Not angry, just suffering from a very low idiot tolerance.

Quite frankly I just think you are full of wind.