Is it illegal to ZING on your bike?

**avgas** · 13th October 2005, 12:01

Wotta Jerk....sounds like he is zinged.
Get his name/number? You can do him for harrasment.
Im sure the police dont need him

**spudchucka** · 13th October 2005, 12:06

Originally Posted by jimbo600

Arrested? For what exactly? I do not want to, and do not have to sit and listed to some over zealous asshole preach. (And by that I mean preach not warn). I like you guys I really do but there's a few who do you a disservice. Like the HP who pulled over an ambulance while it was responding to a catagory one emergency (turned out to be a cat 3 but they didn't know that).

Its simple really, you can figure it out for yourself.

114.Power to require driver to stop and give name and address, etc—

(1)An enforcement officer who is in uniform, or wearing a distinctive cap, hat, or helmet, with a badge of authority affixed to it, may signal or request the driver of a vehicle to stop the vehicle as soon as is practicable.

(2)An enforcement officer in a vehicle following another vehicle may, by displaying flashing blue, or blue and red, lights or sounding a siren, require the driver of the other vehicle to stop.

[(2A)Subject to subsections (4) and (5), the driver of a vehicle that is stopped by an enforcement officer under this Act must remain stopped for as long as is reasonably necessary for the enforcement officer to complete the exercise of any powers conferred, or duties imposed, on an enforcement officer by this Act.]

(3)An enforcement officer may require the driver of a vehicle that is stopped under this Act to—

(a)Remain stopped for as long as is reasonably necessary for an enforcement officer to obtain the particulars referred to in paragraph (b), or to complete the exercise of any other power conferred on an enforcement officer by this Act; and

(b)On demand by an enforcement officer,—

(i)Give his or her name and address and date of birth, or such of those particulars as the enforcement officer may specify; and

(ii)State whether or not he or she is the owner of the vehicle; and

(iii)If the driver is not the owner of the vehicle, give the name and address of the owner or such particulars within the driver's knowledge as may lead to the identification of the owner.

(4)The driver of a vehicle that is stopped under subsection (2) is not obliged to remain stopped if the vehicle with flashing lights and siren does not itself stop in the near vicinity of the place where the driver has stopped.

(5)An enforcement officer may require a driver to remain stopped on a road for as long as is reasonably necessary to enable the officer to establish the identity of the driver, but not for longer than 15 minutes if the requirement to remain stopped is made under this subsection only.

(6)An enforcement officer may arrest a person without warrant if the officer has good cause to suspect the person of having—

(a)Failed to comply with this section or a signal or request or requirement under this section; or

(b)Given false or misleading information under this section.

Cf 1962 No 135 s 66

113.Enforcement officers may enforce transport legislation—

(1)An enforcement officer in uniform or in possession of a warrant or other evidence of his or her authority as an enforcement officer may enforce the provisions of—

(a)The Transport Act 1962, the Local Government Act 1974, [the Local Government Act 2002,] the Road User Charges Act 1977, the Transport (Vehicle and Driver Registration and Licensing) Act 1986, the Transport Services Licensing Act 1989, the Transit New Zealand Act 1989, the [Railways Act 2005], [the Land Transport Management Act 2003,] and this Act:

(b)Regulations and rules and bylaws in force under any Acts mentioned in paragraph (a).

(2)Without limiting any other powers conferred on an enforcement officer, an enforcement officer, in enforcing any provisions referred to in subsection (1), may at any time—

(a)Direct a person on a road (whether or not in charge of a vehicle) to give the person's name and address and date of birth, or such of those particulars as the enforcement officer may specify, and give any other particulars required as to the person's identity, and (unless the person is for the time being detained or under arrest under any enactment) give such information as is within the person's knowledge and as may lead to the identification of the driver or person in charge of a vehicle:

(b)Inspect, test, and examine—

(i)The brakes or any other part of a vehicle on a road or any associated equipment; or

(ii)A land transport document, or a document resembling a land transport document, displayed or carried on the vehicle:

(c)If the enforcement officer believes on reasonable grounds that a vehicle on a road causes an obstruction in the road or to a vehicle entrance to any property or that the removal of the vehicle is desirable in the interests of road safety or for the convenience or in the interests of the public,—

(i)Enter, or authorise another person to enter, the vehicle for the purpose of moving it or preparing it for movement; and

(ii)Move, or authorise another person to move, the vehicle to a place where it does not constitute a traffic hazard:

(d)Direct the driver or person in charge of a vehicle on a road to remove the vehicle from the road or a specified part of a road, if the officer believes on reasonable grounds that it causes an obstruction in the road or to a vehicle entrance to any property or its removal is desirable in the interests of road safety or for the convenience or in the interests of the public:

(e)Forbid an unlicensed driver to drive a motor vehicle.

[(f)]

**Krayy** · 13th October 2005, 12:06

Paraphrased to hell, but the first thing that came to my mind was.....

Narrator: In A.D. 2005, MD was riding.

MD: What happen ?
Mechanic: Somebody changed the speed limit on Paikok Hill and set up us the bomb.
Operator: We get signal.
MD: What !
Operator: Main screen turn on.
MD: It's you !!
Cop: How are you Zinging gentlemen !!

Cop: All your Piekoks are belong to us.

Cop: You are on the way to destruction.
MD: What you say !!

Cop: You have no chance to ride across the centre lines! Make your time.
Cop: Ha Ha Ha Ha ....
Operator: Captain !! *
Cop: Take off every 'Zing'!!
MD: You know what you doing, dickhead??

Cop: Move 'Zing'
MD: Give to me name of Supervisor, for great justice!!

**Deano** · 13th October 2005, 12:24

Somone has already mentioned the rule about being able to stop within the visible distance on a laned road (or something like that).

So could this be Zinging ? Riding around a corner too fast to be able to stop within visible distance ?

Is it enforceable, or as another KBer mentioned, not enforceable until you crash, then you get done for careless or dangerous ???

Also Spud - I think you and Jimbo may be at crossed purposes. MD was not riding at the time, he was on the side of the road (already stopped), so do the same rules apply ?

**madboy** · 13th October 2005, 12:29

Haven't had time to read this post fully, but I did want to add the following:

1) Having the power to do something doesn't mean to say that you should use that power. The 5-0 have the power to do plenty of things, but it is the appropriate and mature use of that power that separates the good from the bad. A fact that has not filtered down to many in the HP yet it appears.

2) MD - you the man. I couldn't have engaged brain long enough to put up with that. I woulda reverted to the teenage years... "So what you're saying officer, is that you can't do me for f*** all? Great, thanks for your time, now go zing yourself." Before I rode off - proceeding to zing ALL the way home.

3) Most HP I hear about don't do anything to further the name of the police... except the one last night who decided not to try busting me for doubling the speed limit. A try was all he was ever going to get.

**sels1** · 13th October 2005, 12:58

Originally Posted by Sparky Bills

Sounds like "Gunner" to me.
Anyone know of him?

Dont think it would be him. For one he's older than described and two he is too experenced a cop to behave like that. He used to be a bike cop back in the day (MoT) and was generally helpful to bikers.

**Lou Girardin** · 13th October 2005, 13:00

Originally Posted by Deano

Also Spud - I think you and Jimbo may be at crossed purposes. MD was not riding at the time, he was on the side of the road (already stopped), so do the same rules apply ?

Yes. He was on a road.

BTW I love the demonisation of HP cops here. Who said the cop was HP?
He might have just been just another GD tosser, Cops with traffic experience generally don't make dicks of themselves like this guy.

**spudchucka** · 13th October 2005, 13:04

Originally Posted by Deano

Also Spud - I think you and Jimbo may be at crossed purposes. MD was not riding at the time, he was on the side of the road (already stopped), so do the same rules apply ?

The side of the road is still a road under the act.

``Road'' includes—

(a)A street; and

(b)A motorway; and

(c)A beach; and

(d)A place to which the public have access, whether as of right or not; and

(e)All bridges, culverts, ferries, and fords forming part of a road or street or motorway, or a place referred to in paragraph (d):

(f)All sites at which vehicles may be weighed for the purposes of this Act or any other enactment:

I'm not looking for an arguement with Jimbo but his advice to just bugger off is bad advice.

**spudchucka** · 13th October 2005, 13:08

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

Yes. He was on a road.

BTW I love the demonisation of HP cops here. Who said the cop was HP?
He might have just been just another GD tosser, Cops with traffic experience generally don't make dicks of themselves like this guy.

Right, so now the GDB cops are tossers and the traffic cops are the ones that are propping up the public image by not being dicks.

You've got traffic experience, so whats your excuse for being a dick?

**Lou Girardin** · 13th October 2005, 13:18

Originally Posted by spudchucka

Right, so now the GDB cops are tossers and the traffic cops are the ones that are propping up the public image by not being dicks.

You've got traffic experience, so whats your excuse for being a dick?

My excuse is age. Yours is personality.
Read the post Spud. MD never said he was HP.

**jimbo600** · 13th October 2005, 13:20

Originally Posted by spudchucka

Its simple really, you can figure it out for yourself.

All very good spud but I didn't read the part about the bit where it says reasonably necessary to detail a driver for a lecture. As previously mentioned he has powers to detain a driver to ask and ascertain legitimacy of ID documents and test the vehicle, but he is NOT allowed to detain the driver for the sole purpose of giving an undue lectue. This is in fact unreasonable detention. This is especially pertinent for a unwarranted lecture as is the case with MD.

**jimbo600** · 13th October 2005, 13:25

Originally Posted by spudchucka

The side of the road is still a road under the act.

I'm not looking for an arguement with Jimbo but his advice to just bugger off is bad advice.

Argue away spud. Sometimes I get it wrong and don't realise it. It's the whole point of a forum is it not?

**spudchucka** · 13th October 2005, 15:29

Originally Posted by jimbo600

All very good spud but I didn't read the part about the bit where it says reasonably necessary to detail a driver for a lecture. As previously mentioned he has powers to detain a driver to ask and ascertain legitimacy of ID documents and test the vehicle, but he is NOT allowed to detain the driver for the sole purpose of giving an undue lectue. This is in fact unreasonable detention. This is especially pertinent for a unwarranted lecture as is the case with MD.

The lecture may be simply what comes out of his mouth while he is inspecting the vehicle and checking identity and licence details. I'm not condoning the lecture bit, it pisses me off too, I'm simply highlighting the foolishness of the approach your proposed.

EG: Cop pulls you over pusuant to section 114 and also wants to check the vehicle etc etc. While doing so he gives you a verbal lecture, which you take exception to and then elect fuck off into the distance because you can't be bothered listening to it. You have just failed to remain stopped for an enforcement officer and are now likely to be arrested and charged.

You then defend the charge in court and explain to the judge that you took off because you couldn't be bothered listening to the lecture being dished out by the cop. The cop stands up and says he stopped the vehicle pursuant to section blah blah blah for the purpose of blah blah blah and before he could carry out his duties pursuant to those sections the defendant done a bunk your honour!

Even if the cop is made out to be a right plonker for lecturing you, you will have fuck all chance of getting off the charge.

Its your choice though and if others want to run with your advice then let them, some will get away with it, others won't.