Is it illegal to ZING on your bike?

[Fatjim]

...Finally he said you got anyything to say now. I replied, No I'm far to scared to speak to you or dare open my mouth and I never cross the centreline.:

Yeah, you should have, "What did you say? I've got earplugs in"

[Patrick]

In cases like this, it seems the flak is deserved.
By complaining about this guy, with a bit of luck he'll get told to be more polite and hence the next person he comes across won't be lectured like you were.
If you don't complain and he continues with his attitude, he will continue to contribute to the negative opinion that people have towards the cops.

You should let his bosses know, so they can have a word, not an "official" complaint, you know what I mean. Otherwise, he will continue with his attitude and will get a big smack in the head. Perhaps he is a newbie and thinks he is all that...wait til he waves at the kiddies and one 3 year old flips him the bird!

I take it he was a young one? Fresh out of the nest? Needs slight adjustment to be a good bugger instead of being a prick. If he doesn't know he's cruising for a hiding one day, save him some future pain and suffering....let his boss know what happened out there.

[Pixie]

Told off for zinging? Sounds like he went to the weather presenter's school of talking - "this evening we will have spitty rain and puffy clouds will zing across the sky" - what a tosser!

At least he wasn't riding Lickity Split

[Patrick]

Complain to who?

The Police Complaints Authority is just a whitewash machine, you're wasting your time there. His boss isn't going to give a toss about a complaint from a biker.

Its only a name...people think because it says "Police" that its part of the station you're complaining at. WRONG. Led by a judge (ex lawyer/ the opposition!!) and investigators, many of whom are not in the Police anyhow. Everything is looked into, you should see the paperwork involved. White wash machine my arse!

[Dafe]

Maybe the regulars on that road should take a voice recorder ready for action. Record this pricks behaviour and then pass it on to the Police Complaints Authority in Wellington.

[Pixie]

The lecture may be simply what comes out of his mouth while he is inspecting the vehicle and checking identity and licence details. I'm not condoning the lecture bit, it pisses me off too, I'm simply highlighting the foolishness of the approach your proposed.

EG: Cop pulls you over pusuant to section 114 and also wants to check the vehicle etc etc. While doing so he gives you a verbal lecture, which you take exception to and then elect fuck off into the distance because you can't be bothered listening to it. You have just failed to remain stopped for an enforcement officer and are now likely to be arrested and charged.

You then defend the charge in court and explain to the judge that you took off because you couldn't be bothered listening to the lecture being dished out by the cop. The cop stands up and says he stopped the vehicle pursuant to section blah blah blah for the purpose of blah blah blah and before he could carry out his duties pursuant to those sections the defendant done a bunk your honour!

Even if the cop is made out to be a right plonker for lecturing you, you will have fuck all chance of getting off the charge.

Its your choice though and if others want to run with your advice then let them, some will get away with it, others won't.

A cop's job is to enforce the law,not to lecture or educate.Where in the training course is lecturing covered?
It is unprofessional.
Do you expect a nutritional lecture when you buy KFC?

[Patrick]

Let me explain without big words.

....inadequates ....

NO FAIR...YOU CHEATED...YOU SAID NO BIG WORDS...

[spudchucka]

He didn't pull him over though Spud.

Doesn't matter. The guy was in charge of a motor vehicle on a road, the cop doesn't need to put the flashers on a moving vehicle and pull them over before he can speak to a driver.

[spudchucka]

Let me explain without big words.
MD didn't mention the cop being HP. Other posters started going on about HP cops.
I pointed out that no-one said it was an HP cop.

Not all the inadequates in the Police belong to the HP.

In the context of this thread, how did you find an opportunity to to branch into calling general duties cops tossers?

You're nothing more than a WINJA with a few more years under your belt and somewhat better dialect.

[Pixie]

He was a young officer in a marked patrol car, you know the ones in white with yellow and blue patches all over them

The Poms call their cop cars "jam sandwiches"because of the pink stripe down the sides.
We should refer to ours as "Pus sandwiches"

[spudchucka]

Fair point. Every situation is different I suppose. Down to how you perceive the situation. Personally if the officer was busy with getting details etc then of course it wait it out time, but if he's just being a pain, well then it's goneburger time. A mate in a GTP falcon was pulled on SH2. The cop made him wait until a member of the public who made a *555 call stopped by. This took 15 minutes. I would have been long gone by then.

Anyway as usual it's the bad apples getting all the attention. Nice work in the manawatu getting Wallace.

Take off at your own peril is all I'm saying. Is it worth getting locked up and charged over?

[spudchucka]

Well this thread has taken off more than expected.
Just to be clear. He was a young officer in a marked patrol car, you know the ones in white with yellow and blue patches all over them and those cool lights on the roof. Don't ask me to pick the difference between highway patrol/traffic and general police.
I pulled over into a large driveway entrance to a farm. He did a u-turn and came back to find me. I genuinely thought he was just stopping for a 'friendly' chat.
It was really only his lack of manners that got to me. Another example.
He looked at the bike and said Í suppose you have the correct licence for this' to which I said 'sure, here it is' and I reached to get my wallet. His reply could have been 'that's Ok or no need or no thanks or .. but no he snapped back with 'Ï didn't ask to see it did I' It's all in the delivery isn't it.

He sounds like a total dick!

Traffic (STU) and Highway Patrol cars are marked in the yellow and blue colours. General duties cars are orange and blue, have more dents and higher K's.

There ya go Lou he was a HP tosser, not a GDB tosser.

[Ixion]

Take off at your own peril is all I'm saying. Is it worth getting locked up and charged over?

I think there is case law on this. Didn't Sir Robert Jones take the police to court over this? Some bimbette cop pulled him up in his Jag, then decided to show her authority with the "I'm going to muck about for half an hour or so and make you wait until I decide you can go just to show you who's boss " trick (maybe with a side order of feminazi - and I think he missed a plane flight or somehting , and she knew that). He sued the police, won in the NZ courts. Courts said the police did NOT have a carte blanche right to detain motorists as long as they chose. I think the police took it all the way to the Privy Council, not sure what happened there. Must check.

EDIT: Found it. I was not quite right. In fact it was more relevant. Sir Robert actually did exactly what was talked of, and drove off. The bimbette chased him, he sued, NZ Court of Appeal said he had no case, he went to the Privy council , who said he did . Interesting quote (judgement is attached). Note that he was NOT arrested (would have been much fireworks if he had been methinks). Case is almost exactly like OPs

12. It is with genuine reluctance that the Board disturbs a unanimous decision of the Court of Appeal on a matter which it would ordinarily regard as very much within the province of that court. But the appellant has exercised a right of appeal which the law gives him. While this incident was on one view minor and mundane, no abuse of police power (if such occurred) is ever trivial. And there are cases, whether or not this turns out to be one of them, where a challenge made by a private individual promotes the interests of the wider community. The Board concludes that it should give effect to its own clear opinion.

13. The Board will humbly advise Her Majesty that the appeal be allowed with costs before the Board and in the Court of Appeal, and that the order of the Court of Appeal be set aside.

[spudchucka]

A cop's job is to enforce the law,not to lecture or educate.Where in the training course is lecturing covered?
It is unprofessional.
Do you expect a nutritional lecture when you buy KFC?

Some people do need a lecture and part of the job, (in terms of traffic) is to set an example and to educate people. However, if you can be bothered reading the whole thread you will see on several posts I have said that I did not condone this particular lecture and have concurred that this cops actions were unprofessional.

If you are trying to make a point with me please make sure that I haven't already made that point myself. Otherwise I'll assume you are trolling.

[Patrick]

He sounds like a total dick!

Traffic (STU) and Highway Patrol cars are marked in the yellow and blue colours. General duties cars are orange and blue, have more dents and higher K's.

There ya go Lou he was a HP tosser, not a GDB tosser.

The Bananas in pyjamas also have radar detectors in them, hardly any in the Jaffa/Orange ones.