Issue with motorway onramp transit lanes - 2018

[nerrrd]

...In my experience cops are generally thin-skinned, petty, moronic dickheads.

What We See in Others is a Reflection of Ourselves

an opportunity for reflection perhaps

[Scuba_Steve]

Seems this question is well & truly answered; & answered correctly of all things
Now if we can learn people "keep left unless overtaking" & "if slow pull over & let others pass" be a good day

[Moi]

Seems this question is well & truly answered; & answered correctly of all things
Now if we can learn people "keep left unless overtaking" & "if slow pull over & let others pass" be a good day

Jeez Wayne! The impossible we do today, miracles take a little longer...


However, I do wonder, if we as a country were serious about reducing road deaths whether the Highway Patrol section of the police should be extended. Some will mutter about the old MoT traffic cops but having a dedicated traffic police who are skilled in their area and are committed to road safety and lifting the driving standard then perhaps we might see a drop in the number of road deaths.. just thinking aloud...

Plus, with dedicated traffic police who are aware of the regulations/legislation pertaining to, say, motorways then you'd not have some innocent biker being ticketed for something he is allowed to do...

[caspernz]

I'm astonished that any Auckland Police officers would even pull you over for using the T2 Motorway onramp lane on a motorcycle, as long as you weren't speeding.

My initial thoughts as well. Either an officer with a dislike for bikers, or could it be a biker being a bit enthusiastic in other ways?

I suppose the simplest thing would be to ignore the troll but I've had a reasonable amount to do with the police both professionally and socially. My experience has been the complete opposite. Really good people who do a job that most of us wouldn't want to do or couldn't do. I'd suggest that that there are fewer shitheads among them than either the general public or KB in particular.

Funny you make that comment sir, exactly my experience. Will readily admit I've met an unreasonable cop in my time, but would hardly label all of them that way, on the basis of select experiences.
Always recall a conversation I had with a fellow trucker who'd just been pinged by a (insert any swear word combo you wish here) cop, who'd written him up for being "just a tad" over the limit. Turns out 93 in a 50 coming out of a small town was deemed ok by this cowboy. Needless to say no sympathy was extended by me

I do wonder, if we as a country were serious about reducing road deaths whether the Highway Patrol section of the police should be extended. Some will mutter about the old MoT traffic cops but having a dedicated traffic police who are skilled in their area and are committed to road safety and lifting the driving standard then perhaps we might see a drop in the number of road deaths.. just thinking aloud...

Plus, with dedicated traffic police who are aware of the regulations/legislation pertaining to, say, motorways then you'd not have some innocent biker being ticketed for something he is allowed to do...

Enforcement on its own isn't enough though, will readily agree more numbers are needed.
Needs a social shift, like smoking or drink driving. Oh wait, not drinking & driving still hasn't sunk in for some...

[sidecar bob]

What colour is your skin? Claim that you have cultural rights to the lane under the treaty of waitangi.

[Akzle]

Don't forget that the police force doesn't exactly attract the best and brightest. In my experience cops are generally thin-skinned, petty, moronic dickheads.

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[Voltaire]

As its a fine probably dealing with office workers who treat it much like a service/invoice scenario.

" Thank you for your letter and documents, we have reviewed it , please pay within 7 days."

[rastuscat]

Enforcement on its own isn't enough though, will readily agree more numbers are needed.
Needs a social shift, like smoking or drink driving. Oh wait, not drinking & driving still hasn't sunk in for some...

It's a long term solution based on the 3 Es. Enforcement, Education and Engineering.

No E on it's own can fix these issues.

[Akzle]

It's a long term solution based on the 3 Es. Enforcement, Education and Engineering.

No E on it's own can fix these issues.

some letters are more dangerous.. so we can drive on E, can we drive on P?

[rastuscat]

some letters are more dangerous.. so we can drive on E, can we drive on P?

I suspect you've already done it.

[caspernz]

It's a long term solution based on the 3 Es. Enforcement, Education and Engineering.

No E on it's own can fix these issues.

Fair enough. Just funny how folks dislike the enforcement, think they don’t need education thus the focus ends up on engineering. Maybe I spent too much time on the 6 Ps in my time...

[eldog]

Eliminate the problem.

[Swoop]

I'm wondering about the logic of these new "EV" lanes.

Surely an electric vehicle isn't putting out plumes of nasty smoke from its back end? Right?
Helping "save the gay whales" and all that nonsense.

So, an EV should be spending time queued up with all the other traffic.

If any car needs to get where it is going without sitting at a set of lights, it's a petrol powered one. Get to the destination sooner = less pollution!

[FJRider]

Hi all, long time occasional lurker, first time poster. I apologise if my searching hasn't been up to scratch. I found This thread from back in 2009, but I'm having issues with the police and NZTA about motorway onramp transit lanes.

I was pulled over in April for using the T2 lane on the SH16 (northwestern motorway) Great North Road citybound onramp. The initial stated cause of the traffic stop was for not having the required number of passengers. When I received the written warning I raised it with police. This initial cause was then scrubbed but changed to the fact that motorcycles are not allowed to use the lane due to not being on the sign.

I have involved the NZTA, and an investigation has supposedly been raised, but with no resolution after almost two months it's starting to seem like it's ground to a halt, and I'm still sitting here with a black mark on my licence.

I'm not about to stop fighting this, as this issue seems to have occurred and been resolved before. As motorcyclists we have a strong vested interest in ensuring the road rules are enforced properly for our safety. I don't want any other motorcyclist to be ticketed for using lanes they seem to be fully entitled to.

After two months there are a lot of details to my story but unless they are relevant I'll leave them out in the interest of brevity. There have also been some interesting comments from the police, such as their belief that "most motorcyclists do not use the transit lanes, which would indicate to them that most seem to know the rules".

I would very much appreciate if it anyone would have any resources that would assist me in trying to convince the police that motorcyclists are permitted to use the transit lanes, or convince the NZTA to conclude their investigation and respond to the police. Otherwise if anyone has any contacts in either organisation that would be interested in assisting in my case I would love to get in touch with them. I understand the difficulty of this however, as I do not want to put anyone in a compromising position of having to argue with their colleagues.

Nga mihi.

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/walking-cyc...transit-lanes/

A transit lane can only be used by passenger service vehicles, motor cycles, mopeds, cycles, and motor vehicles carrying a specified minimum number of persons. Transit lanes in New Zealand are generally either T2 or T3 lanes, these being for vehicles with 2 or more people (T2) or 3 or more people (T3), where ‘T’ stands for transit. The lanes operate between certain times of the day. Most transit lanes are located on arterial roads, motorways or expressways.

It would seem your initial traffic stop WAS in accordance with the rules ...

[Scuba_Steve]

I'm wondering about the logic of these new "EV" lanes.

Surely an electric vehicle isn't putting out plumes of nasty smoke from its back end? Right?
Helping "save the gay whales" and all that nonsense.

So, an EV should be spending time queued up with all the other traffic.

If any car needs to get where it is going without sitting at a set of lights, it's a petrol powered one. Get to the destination sooner = less pollution!

Maybee it's cause EV's don't go very far to start with so if they get stuck sitting in traffic too long they become the traffic hold up themselves; no batt = no move