Increased Highway Patrol presence...

[PistonBlown]

The acid thing was because it wasn't classified as a weapon in charging guides or some such technical bullshit (so basically shorter sentences vs just using a knife). That has been changed recently and the acid attacks are going down. Just being replaced with being mugged for your bike normally now.

Yep that and the fact that acid could overpower you without them having to worry about you fighting back. At least they caught some of them, one 17 year old just been sent to jail for 10 1/2 years for six attacks on moped riders in less than 90 minutes - all the victims suffered "life-changing" injuries. Apparently if he'd been tried as an adult the sentence would have been 22 years.

[rastuscat]

And this is the unfortunate attitude of the NZ Police. If an arrest isn't handed to them on a platter, they just won't bother.

It takes hours of plod work the next day and subsequently to track down a fleeing driver.

Meanwhile, the next days work gets further and further behind. And the day after that, and the day after that.

In the real world, there are only so many things a cop can do.

It's not like TV, where crimes get committed, enquiries conducted, and criminals convicted, in 55 minutes, including time for ad breaks.

You don't see many tv cop shows where the cops spend 75% of their time doing paperwork.

[Mirage]

Criminals are not held to a higher standard, because well, they are criminals. The police, should however be held to a higher standard, theoretically to protect & serve. Protect includes protecting the public from a skewed police chase. By skewed I mean were the risks out way the alleged crime/offense committed vs. the potential threat to public (fleeing armed robbers, known dangerous wanted criminal, etc.). Blindly chasing or "running someone down" e.g. for going 20km/h over the speed limit, is quite frankly irresponsible and creating a bigger danger to the public than the initial offence of speeding.

Twice in the past were I got done for MINIMAL speeding the cop was having a fun time "chasing" catching up to me to pull me over. Once on the motorway in Auckland, in peak hour traffic, (only to see his lights 3km further down the road from where he said he pinged me).
The other (I was singled out riding in a stream of cars doing the same speed) going through one of those 80KM/h stretches on a rural motorway.
He pinged me whilst he was driving in the oncoming traffic.

So lets asses both instances. In both cases you have a 180kg bike and rider going slightly over the limit. In the first case how fast did the cop have to travel in a 2000kg car (more mass, more momentum, more damage caused in a crash) , through peak hour traffic, to catch up with me?
In the second case, the cop had to stop (I am assuming), checking that it is safe (I am assuming) to do a U-turn, and then speed way faster than I was going, overtake several cars behind me, in a 2000kg car in order to catch up to me.

I struggle to think that it was worth the risk they exposed the public to, to ping a rider doing moderately over the limit.

It's the "get them at all costs" mentality that needs to stop.

[R650R]

I love police chases, best value free entertainment out there.

But the govt and the police need to lose the restraints that are wrecking it for them.

Number one- NO pursuit EVER will be abandoned, this is what drives young idiots in shitboxes to start driving on the wrongside of road with lights off to force cops to abandon.
Number two-END national comms invoilvement in puruits on radio, let the local cops sort it with local knowledge.
Number three- SPIKES always allowed no need to waste time asking permission.
Number four- Shooting at a fleeing vehicle authroised, imnijtially into engine bay but at driver allowed in more dangerous instances (this should end 70% before they start out of fear alone)
Number five-INSTANT mandatory four year no parole jail term for failing to stop
Number six- install remote gates at strategic points around town like the Ruapehu Lahar gates on SH1 to contain a pursuit to confined area.

Living on the fringe of the Bronx in NZ I've seen several times where a pursuit has been abandoned by the cops... but the offender has come past my house just as dangerously as if they still being chased... except motorists have no warning of lights or a song of sirens....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spnH5ynCJvo

[EJK]

Criminals are not held to a higher standard, because well, they are criminals. The police, should however be held to a higher standard, theoretically to protect & serve. Protect includes protecting the public from a skewed police chase. By skewed I mean were the risks out way the alleged crime/offense committed vs. the potential threat to public (fleeing armed robbers, known dangerous wanted criminal, etc.). Blindly chasing or "running someone down" e.g. for going 20km/h over the speed limit, is quite frankly irresponsible and creating a bigger danger to the public than the initial offence of speeding.

Twice in the past were I got done for MINIMAL speeding the cop was having a fun time "chasing" catching up to me to pull me over. Once on the motorway in Auckland, in peak hour traffic, (only to see his lights 3km further down the road from where he said he pinged me).
The other (I was singled out riding in a stream of cars doing the same speed) going through one of those 80KM/h stretches on a rural motorway.
He pinged me whilst he was driving in the oncoming traffic.

So lets asses both instances. In both cases you have a 180kg bike and rider going slightly over the limit. In the first case how fast did the cop have to travel in a 2000kg car (more mass, more momentum, more damage caused in a crash) , through peak hour traffic, to catch up with me?
In the second case, the cop had to stop (I am assuming), checking that it is safe (I am assuming) to do a U-turn, and then speed way faster than I was going, overtake several cars behind me, in a 2000kg car in order to catch up to me.

I struggle to think that it was worth the risk they exposed the public to, to ping a rider doing moderately over the limit.

It's the "get them at all costs" mentality that needs to stop.

So you are saying police should be more lazy with their jobs and more tolerate speeders (e.g. someone going 20/kph over the limit)? Won't the public then say "the pigs aren't doing their jobs right!"?

For the record I'm all for police chase. I got pinged in the past a couple times for my own speeding, but I don't bitch and while about how unfair it was or the cops could be catching "the real bad guys" etc.

I broke the law. They did their job. End of story.

[Mirage]

So you are saying police should be more lazy with their jobs and more tolerate speeders (e.g. someone going 20/kph over the limit)? Won't the public then say "the pigs aren't doing their jobs right!"?

For the record I'm all for police chase. I got pinged in the past a couple times for my own speeding, but I don't bitch and while about how unfair it was or the cops could be catching "the real bad guys" etc.

I broke the law. They did their job. End of story.

Nowhere was I bitching about getting done. Nowhere did I say the cops should be lazy. What I am saying is, surely, there has to be some common sense applied by the cop, before he decides to chase down someone for a minor infraction: would his actions for a "pursuit" be more hazardous to the general public (than the minor speeder) for the sake of issuing a minor speeding ticket? In a lot of instances, yes. I am sure there are cops that apply this logic and don't do a U-turn on a busy rural motorway, for the sake of issuing a minor speeding ticket. The risks of this is just not worth it IMO. We have seen this in the past were motorcyclists got "taken out" by U-turning cops wanting to chase speeders down, haven't we.

[EJK]

Nowhere was I bitching about getting done. Nowhere did I say the cops should be lazy. What I am saying is, surely, there has to be some common sense applied by the cop, before he decides to chase down someone for a minor infraction: would his actions for a "pursuit" be more hazardous to the general public (than the minor speeder) for the sake of issuing a minor speeding ticket? In a lot of instances, yes. I am sure there are cops that apply this logic and don't do a U-turn on a busy rural motorway, for the sake of issuing a minor speeding ticket. The risks of this is just not worth it IMO. We have seen this in the past were motorcyclists got "taken out" by U-turning cops wanting to chase speeders down, haven't we.

Do you think police are dumb?

[Mirage]

Do you think police are dumb?

No, just as fallible as the rest of us. Asking if police are dumb, is a broad brush. Like across all walks of society, I suspect there are some intelligent ones and some not so intelligent. Some clearly think that any infraction, no matter how minor, are worth a pursuit, regardless of the risks. Just as equally, as I have said before, I am sure there are a lot of level headed police who apply some sort of common sense and don't "pursue at any cost".

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2465...n-crash-probed

[jasonu]

With Azkle and Cassina sidelined, it's in the KB rules that someone has to take the title of KB Cock

I thought this place was a little duller than usual.

[Cosmik de Bris]

Murder someone, and pop the body in the boot if your car. If the Police try to stop you just keep going. They will stop pursuing you if your policy is adopted.

The next day, well after you've disposed of the body, the Police will knock on the registered owners door and all you'll get is a slap on the hand for failing to stop.

See, when a car fails to stop, the only one who knows why is the offender. The Police don't know why. But they know there's normally a good reason to want to stop them.

It's a lot more complex than most folk think.

Good grief, anyone can make silly hypothetical situations like this, and the good reason to stop people is what, I feel like a car chase today?

I was told once you may outrun a police car but you can't outrun a radio. Why don't the police use the radio and keep an eye on the offender with the cooperation of other police units, no need for one vehicle to do everything. I know there aren't enough resources, well then don't chase people until there are. If the police weren't so keen to have a chase they could let the offender go, public opinion would probably soon force the issue and more resources provided by the government because now it'd be their fault rather than the police.

Cheers

[T.W.R]

Good grief, anyone can make silly hypothetical situations like this, and the good reason to stop people is what, I feel like a car chase today?

I was told once you may outrun a police car but you can't outrun a radio. Why don't the police use the radio and keep an eye on the offender with the cooperation of other police units, no need for one vehicle to do everything. I know there aren't enough resources, well then don't chase people until there are. If the police weren't so keen to have a chase they could let the offender go, public opinion would probably soon force the issue and more resources provided by the government because now it'd be their fault rather than the police.

Cheers

Short memory huh? where & how this would've unfolded if the police hadn't intervened

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/cri...en-in-Auckland


Been in a couple of interesting chases from the police many years ago, both ended by the aid of police radio....one including a multi police vehicle road block at the end of the motorway into ChCh opposite the Peg in Belfast and another that ended up being corralled in a back street by multiple police vehicles

[nodrog:Me]

What we really need is a safe space.

[Swoop]

The police are just as bad. They like to chase people and in some cases are young and impetuous just like the people they are chasing.

Motorways cop I know, actually counts to ten before commencing a chase.
"Gotta have proper fun chasing and catching up...".

Number five-INSTANT mandatory four year no parole jail term for ...

Nope. Liarbour wants any jail term less than 2 years to be on home detention.

What we really need is a safe space.

I'd suggest anywhere between 150 - 300kmh as meeting that criteria.




The whole chase thing is a joke. What is a runner going to do, cross the State line / Border?

[R650R]

The whole chase thing is a joke. What is a runner going to do, cross the State line / Border?

Locally they seem to end up in either of two suburbs.... prior to ditching the car they will do several laps of local streets to wake up their family and associates before jumping fences to hide in their mates house. Think dog handlers love this game and the chance to opportunist search properties.... geez these crims arent bright are they....
One did get creative and ditch moving car into drainage creek, crossing expressway afterwards but they caught him too.....

unrelated but (trying to find a relevant vid iwatched but cant)... Cop goes thru red light at 79mph and hits innocent motorist....

[jellywrestler]

It takes hours of plod work the next day and subsequently to track down a fleeing driver.

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it takes hours to trace most crimes doesn't it, that's their job.
why don't police cars have cameras in them, a lot of crimes are solved these days by putting the footage or photo on facebook etc, are the cops scared of having video recordings of the days work or something?
it seems a very simple solution to evidence for pretty well all road crimes to me, once the footage has been handed over with the paperwork it's up to others to administer then you can get back to the donut shop..