how low can't ya go.....

[onearmedbandit]

Those 1st two pics looked impressive, but it's pretty obvious that he took the corner far too wide, notice how he's on the wrong side of the road!! All this talk about crossing the centre line in other threads...let this be a reminder to us all!

To us all in America, or NZ Zed?

[Smorg]

To us all in America, or NZ Zed?

[TonyB]

Ok it is difficult to say for sure given that camera angles can make things look different to how they really are, but I tend to agree with XP. It looks to me like his ass is on the correct side of the bike but his torso is cranked back up. Look at his head and neck in relation to the centre air duct.

If I am serious about a corner my torso is is down by the tank and I can only just get my outside hand to the outside grip. His outside elbow is quite bent, thus also suggesting his torso is quite upright (in relation to the bike at least).

Had his body and consequently COG been further inboard of the curve it may have allowed the bike to stand up more and not scrape and unload the rear wheel.

Not being critical, and obviously I wasn't there and I do realise this is hypothetical and that cameras kind of lie, but I just put it out there for discussion.

Agree totally with all of this. I have a pet theory that one of the reasons why Bayliss and Edwards, who were so shit hot in SBK can't cut it in MotoGP is because of their "hips off but torso centred" riding style. Look at Rossi and the other front runners- hips AND torso well to the inside. I had my bucket perched pecariously on a block of wood once. I found I could hang off in the Bayliss/ Edwards style without unbalancing the bike at all. So my theory is that they aren't actually altering the COG at all, hence the bike would corner just as well if they just sat still. And that is why they can't run at the front. In the era in which they roade SBK, they had the best bikes and the best tyres, so they had a considerable advantage equipment-wise. Just a theory!

[ghost]

my 2 cents. He lost in on the straightbefore the corner, two fast, wrong angle, probable that its a decreasing radius corner, in to hot, leaned to compensate, panic, close the throttle, load the front,wash the front out, front unloads sidways, bike completes frame / earth interface and he's along for the nature tour.

you get a fair pic one, set up, pic two, all over...

you get a lot for two cents sometimes...

[Zed]

To us all in America, or NZ Zed?

in my previous post = PT

...I was gunna mention that he crossed the double yella lines too!!

[JohnBoy]

Heres one that i prepared earlier!!!

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/at...achmentid=4508

[dss3]

Heres one that i prepared earlier!!!

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/at...achmentid=4508

Aaaaw, she use to be so preedy didn't she!

[Phenoix]

Heres one that i prepared earlier!!!

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/at...achmentid=4508

So did she come back up again, or is the photo an example of no return ?

[Sniper]

Thats a no return.

[Bartman10]

A great series of photos. The loss of traction was probably casued by several factors. He's clearly not totally incompetent as a rider becasue photo 1 shows good poise. He's just gone in a bit hot for the photo shoot.

He's fortunate the road had a bit of a grass trap. Could have been real messy if there was a bank or cliff!

I don't think the dammage would be too bad on the bike overall.

[marty]

that's fucking ballsy in the wet sniper!

[onearmedbandit]

in my previous post = PT

...I was gunna mention that he crossed the double yella lines too!!

I thought as much Zed, hence why I didn't post something like "I think you'll find that picture was taken in America." Still, it made some people smile and if I can achieve that then my work here is done.

[JohnBoy]

Thats a no return.

yeah, thats a no return...
i suppose its what happens when you try to show off in front of mates with cameras!!

[Motoracer]

IMHO, the guy in the pics was just trying to lean real low for the camera, purely for looks alone when the speed he was traveling at wasn't fast enough for that lean angle. The front wheel being turned in supports this theory of mine.

Try getting your knee down in a car park at 20kmph, then try it at about 110kmph around a 55k corner on the open road. Get a mate to take pics of you. In both instances you will have the same lean angle and your knee on deck if you have enough skills to do so. However, for the 20kmph knee down, your front wheel will be turning into the same direction you are going to, while the faster 110kmph knee down picture of you should show the front wheel pointing straight ahead of the front of the bike rather than either left or right directions. If you are heavyly skilled or if you manage to fluke it, you might be going hard enough to have your front wheel facing the opposite direction of your turn. If you don't know what I mean, you can refer Nicky Hayden or Vallentino Rossi's display of skill at the MotoGP races.

If the guy in question in the pics knew the difference between what steering input is required for what speed at which lean angle, he would not have crashed. Not many people understand this even after years of riding in theory but the good riders out there will know it by the feel of things through experience.

[Posh Tourer :P]

Er actually no, the wheel should not be turned out while in the corner. You only flick the wheel the wrong way to get you off the straight line. It then goes back to straight or even turned inwards a bit....

However, by the second pic, definitely too much zing, lifting the front end, hence him turning in more to get some rubber on the road

Edit: should have quoted. This is for about post 6-ish