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    Is the 360degree review making a come back? Cor haven't seen one of those for years.
    Especially against managers who take credit for others work, their "peers" and staff can make 'honest' statements.

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    Don't sweat it.

    They had their mind made up and if it only took a few (beverage lubricated) comments to put them over the edge they need help.

    Sounds like they knew what they had to do, and have offloaded some of the guilt they feel about having to do it.

    Deindividuation I think it's called... always easier to make a "ugly" decision as a group - that way others can "be blamed too".

    Yeah it's unfortunate, in fact I think what the boss did was just no right personally, although you do seem to possibly have their attention and respect when it comes to matters of importance.

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    I will not worry to much about it. Company's are there to make money so that they can pay you so that you can feed your family. If someone is not pulling his weight then it affects everyone.


    I am a hartless bastard I know but that is the business world. Its about money and money has no friends
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    Jeez, I just hope she doesn't take one of your other workmates aside for a 'chat' about you!

    The guy may be on a trial, and if so, she could quite easily say he is not working out and not continue his employment. If he has a contract though, she will have to have a good reason to get rid of him.

    I got fired years ago and although devastated at the time (deeply in debt, not expecting to be unemployed!), it was the best thing that could have happened to me. I sorted out what I wanted to do and six years later I'm in a much better position than I would have been if I were still working there.

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    Bloody hell! I guess you won't be having too many informal chats with her anymore. Shit of a situation to be in Biff. Remember though she said "you confirmed my own beliefs", not "wow, I wasn't aware of any of this..."
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    You mean Welsh bastard!!!


    na just kidding, fuck him bro... if he cant do the job, I'm sure he is just aware of it as all the rest of you.....In my last job, by the time some one had been bad enough for a formal warning I found that 10 times out of 10 they were already waiting for it....or retarded he's not an equell oportunities employee is he?

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    I'm no angel sure, but the reality is for legitimate (ie. good) companies is that they have to carry a lot of baggage they just can't get rid of easily. I'd think that if he's on a fixed term contract there'd be a clause in there about non-performance.
    Mr Biff I'd say get some clarification from the manager as to her perception of your comments. Informal situations are the bane of employees these days coz you just can't relax.
    Loose lips as they say... take heart Biff, it seems like he was on his way anyway, regardless of your comments. Look at the positive side - this she manager thinks quite highly of your opinion..
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    Please dont tell people what you think of me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sniper
    Please dont tell people what you think of me

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    too late for that mate
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    cold.

    thats pretty dicey that she rolled him like that.

    not cool.

    sucks she done that to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enigma51
    I will not worry to much about it. Company's are there to make money so that they can pay you so that you can feed your family. If someone is not pulling his weight then it affects everyone.


    I am a hartless bastard I know but that is the business world. Its about money and money has no friends
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    Speaking as someone who came here on a 6-month 'work to residence' visa, and was here for 5 1/2 months beofre finding an appropriate job (sweating it? Who, me?), I'm kinda in two minds about this.

    1) If he could do the job he was employed to do properly, he wouldn't be in trouble.

    2) That's harsh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lou Girardin
    I guess the moral is to never venture an opinion on your workmates to management.
    I'm "management", as is "she".

    "He" did some work for me - it was crap. In general, his work is crap. He's been asked to sort himself out on several occasions, but never received a written warning. It's more of an attitude problem than an out and out lack of capability.

    Unfortunately there comes a time when as 'management' you have to be a heartless bastard in your employers best interest. I could have lied, but then I loose, the company looses, beacause we need someone capable of doing this job. He wasn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biff
    I'm "management", as is "she".

    "He" did some work for me - it was crap. In general, his work is crap. He's been asked to sort himself out on several occasions, but never received a written warning. It's more of an attitude problem than an out and out lack of capability.

    Unfortunately there comes a time when as 'management' you have to be a heartless bastard in your employers best interest. I could have lied, but then I loose, the company looses, beacause we need someone capable of doing this job. He wasn't.
    Ah. Never received a written warning. She's toast if he gets a lawyer.

    Incidentally, I do hate that weaselly phrase "going to let him go" , meaning "going to sack him". It's as if every sacked worker was actually straining desperately to escape from his job, and the boss is doing him a favour by giving him his freedom. What crap.

    If a manager has to sack someone (and I've had to do it many times, with my manager hat on), he should at least have the guts to face up to what he's doing. Sacking the guy. Not "letting him go".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biff
    I spent yesterday evening with a group of work colleagues, having an informal chat (read piss up) about work things. During the evening a colleage asked me what I thought of one of her staff*. I told her exactly what I thought of his work, fluffed up with the occassional, "but he's a nice guy".

    Just checked my mail - there's a message from her, in the mail she says, " Thanks for your honesty (about *) , you confirmed my own beliefs. I'm going to let him go tomorrow."

    Sorry mate. Sorry to your wife and 5 kids, sorry that this will mean the termination of your NZ work to residence visa and you'll all have to return to the UK.

    Sorry.
    What have you got to be sorry for? Did you tell lies? If not you were asked, you told the truth. She did the business not you. She was just trying to justify her actions to herself. Gutless bitch. Cheers John.

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