Paekakariki speed limit

[Navy Boy]

I see that the threatened 80Km/hr limit is going to be introduced this next weekend. This being the expected outcome from the 'Consultation' period when the new 80 speed limit signs were erected and then taped up...

Consultation? Mmm...

Take it easy if riding up there guys.

[Ocean1]

I see that the threatened 80Km/hr limit is going to be introduced this next weekend. This being the expected outcome from the 'Consultation' period when the new 80 speed limit signs were erected and then taped up...

Consultation? Mmm...

Take it easy if riding up there guys.

To be somewhat more fair than is probably consistent with the generally good practice of lambasting every decision LTNZ makes: I can't say I'm too upset about this one. It's one of those roads where increased traffic density has made an open limit a bit dodgy.

But I agree wholeheartedly with you re the "consultation" thing. In fact I understood that the correct legal definition of the "correct" speed limit on highways has been "no lower than 80% of the mean unrestricted traffic speed" and remains so to this day, "consultation" be fucked. And what I want to know, therefore is when and where these unrestricted trials are to be held. For technical reasons.

[merv]

Presume you are actually talking about SH58 from Haywards to Pauatahanui and not Paekakariki. Paekak already has a 70km/hr limit through it on SH1 and the Paekak Hill Road is 70km/hr at the Paekak end briefly and 60km/hr the rest of the way to Pauautahanui already.

Just drove back over SH58 about 30 minutes ago and the road was covered with pace cars anyway only going about 65-75 so the 80km/hr limit will only make a difference in real low times and not peak times.

[Scuba_Steve]

Paekakariki? We talking Haywards Hill?
We all knew that was happening as soon as they mentioned "looking at the possibility"
Just like they've already lowered the Paekakariki Hill & Pauatahanui Inlet to 60km/h (a speed far too low for the inlet)
They also plan on making the road between Paekakariki & Pukerua Bay 50km/h (currently a far too slow 80km/h) as a way to force people to pay the transmission gully... can't have the free alternatives looking even the slightest bit attractive

[jellywrestler]

haywards and maybe through paekak township, althought hat's been 80 for a while, about two months ago i updated my gps info, the haywards was then changed to 80 so they only put the submission process out there for smoke and mirrors.

[merv]

haywards and maybe through paekak township, althought hat's been 80 for a while, about two months ago i updated my gps info, the haywards was then changed to 80 so they only put the submission process out there for smoke and mirrors.

No Jelly as I said above through Paekak town has already been 70 for a while on SH1 from not long after the rail overbridge heading north, while the rest of the road back towards Pukerua Bay is 80.

https://www.google.co.nz/maps/@-40.9...7i13312!8i6656

[Hoonicorn]

Everywhere around Paekakariki is 50, 60, 70 or 80. Haywards has been 100 but the road surface has deterioriated so rapidly they may want to drop it to 80 just to slow down the wear.

[Navy Boy]

You're absolutely correct - I was referring to Haywards Hill. I just think of it as the road to Paekakariki.

I agree that 100 on there can be a bit much at times but the erection of the 80 signs before the announcement had been made is the bit that really winds me up.

[pritch]

In the early (very) sixties I was part of a group sent down to pick up some new cars from Wellington. We were staying in the Paekak pub and seemingly all night we listened to guys thrashing their sports cars, or cars they fancied as sporting, along the coast road. When we drove into Wellington the next morning a significant portion of the erstwhile sporting cars were immobile, broken down.

If you only ever drove modern machinery, you don't know how lucky y'are.

[Ulsterkiwi]

Presume you are actually talking about SH58 from Haywards to Pauatahanui and not Paekakariki. Paekak already has a 70km/hr limit through it on SH1 and the Paekak Hill Road is 70km/hr at the Paekak end briefly and 60km/hr the rest of the way to Pauautahanui already.

Just drove back over SH58 about 30 minutes ago and the road was covered with pace cars anyway only going about 65-75 so the 80km/hr limit will only make a difference in real low times and not peak times.

They actually lowered the limit on the Northern section of the hill road to 60 a while ago. Its 60 for the entire length now.

[rastuscat]

They actually lowered the limit on the Northern section of the hill road to 60 a while ago. Its 60 for the entire length now.

Less speed less harm

[Ulsterkiwi]

Less speed less harm

Perhaps. I am not sure what lowering the limit from 70 to 60 will do in terms of limiting harm on that particular stretch of that particular road.
There are two issues with the hill road:
First, Ute and van drivers who use the road as their personal commuting race track. They can undoubtedly work the pedal under their right foot. They have a problem however using the round thing for their hands, more specifically using it to keep their vehicle on that side of the road designated for those travelling in that direction. These folks usually travel at 90ish kph anyway so making the limit 60 is superfluous.
Second, Motorcyclists who have no clue that cornering while leaning across the centre line actually means they are not on their side of the road, even if their wheels are. Their heads will get fucked up but the wheels will be sweet as bro. Again they tended to ignore the 70 limit, not sure what difference it will make reducing that to 60.


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[Ulsterkiwi]

Less speed less harm

Just to cross themes with the other thread you began Rastus, when I must confess to getting tired of the simplistic mantras that road policing management and government roading management trot out. Speed limits are arbitrary at best and a blunt instrument at worst. SH58 is a shockingly badly maintained piece of significant infrastructure. Policing picks low hanging fruit. So instead of a licence system that actually indicates drivers have some skills and judgement and enforcing the existing laws that govern shitty behaviour on the roads speed limits are reduced and speed tickets are issued. That keeps the courts less pressured and seems to release NZTA from responsibility to ensure roading and drivers are up to scratch.
Broad brush strokes I know, no more so than “less speed less harm”


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[Ocean1]

Less speed less harm

How many injuries or fatalities have occurred around there under the legal limit?

Caus from where I'm standing it looks like every single one of them was substantially over the limit, even back when it was 100k.

And the injuries and fatality numbers were still used as the reason to lower the limit further.

Which, outside of the local constabulary's particular echo chamber isn't seen as anything more than complete nonsense.

[awayatc]

Less speed less harm

Bit like saying blunt knIves cut less deep....

To buy into that one needs to be at least partly lobotomised