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    Quote Originally Posted by Subike View Post
    so I ride a lams approved bike on my full, it is insured,
    but after reading this thread, it appears that my insurance would be void, because of the mods I have made,
    ie exhaust, foot pegs, air cleaner, ignition mod...
    Thats sounds a bit crazy to me.
    If I did the same mods to a non lams bike,
    this would not be a problem?
    Have I got all this information from this thread right?
    I must be missing something.
    A Lams bike MUST stay in factory condition always regardless of the riders license?
    A few seem to be missing something.

    The questions to be asked ... is the "Issue" ...

    A. An insurance issue .. ??? (read your Policy)

    B. A Law issue .. (read Legislation)

    C. A license issue ... (What class license do you posses ??)

    D. Other ... (What other .. ??)


    If the issue is insurance ... a breach of legislation (ie: A riders breach of riders license conditions) is required before (possibly) any issue of pay-out can be seen. You are quite legal, BUT ... riding a NON LAM's class motorcycle. Non LAMs because it's not standard as you fully admit. (As per LAM's regulations)

    Holding a full license you are legal to ride if the Motorcycle is road legal.


    Thus ... YOU are fully legal (as is your motorcycle ... as if you didn't know already ... )





    Contrary to popular mythical beliefs ... not all insurance policies are created the same (let alone equal) ...


    Advice to those with a motorcycle insurance policy ... FUCKING READ IT ...

    Quote your own if you like ... but don't assume everybody has the same conditions as yourself ...
    Sweat wipes off. Road-rash doesn't.

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    mm, not too bad an answer FJ.
    But there is the other question.
    You buy a Harley Davidson Lams approved bike from a H D dealer.
    They fit their screaming eagle or what ever mods to it before you ride it out the shop on your restricted.
    You have it under HP, and it is insured, Via their finance co and preferred insurance co..
    Is this legal, because the shop modified it,?
    Seems this thread would say no....
    To be old and wise, first you must be young and stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subike View Post
    so I ride a lams approved bike on my full, it is insured,
    but after reading this thread, it appears that my insurance would be void, because of the mods I have made,
    ie exhaust, foot pegs, air cleaner, ignition mod...
    Thats sounds a bit crazy to me.
    If I did the same mods to a non lams bike,
    this would not be a problem?
    Have I got all this information from this thread right?
    I must be missing something.
    A Lams bike MUST stay in factory condition always regardless of the riders license?
    On a full licence you are able to ride any bike, LAMS approved or not.

    Out of interest, I'll be nominating this for Stupid Post Of The Decade.

    You're welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subike View Post
    mm, not too bad an answer FJ.
    But there is the other question.
    You buy a Harley Davidson Lams approved bike from a H D dealer.
    They fit their screaming eagle or what ever mods to it before you ride it out the shop on your restricted.
    You have it under HP, and it is insured, Via their finance co and preferred insurance co..
    Is this legal, because the shop modified it,?
    Seems this thread would say no....
    The shops are incentivised by the profit margin on the after market parts.

    It's the rider who is insured who carries the insurance liability. Standing back and saying "But the dealer fitted it" means bugger all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subike View Post
    mm, not too bad an answer FJ.
    But there is the other question.
    You buy a Harley Davidson Lams approved bike from a H D dealer.
    They fit their screaming eagle or what ever mods to it before you ride it out the shop on your restricted.
    You have it under HP, and it is insured, Via their finance co and preferred insurance co..
    Is this legal, because the shop modified it,?
    Seems this thread would say no....
    The manufacturers originally fitted item is required to be fitted for learner/restricted riders. NO learner/restricted rider does not know this. The legality side as far as the shop goes ... misleading advertising at worst. Quite common nowadays ... and most shops have been questioned about it at some stage by "customers" ... but they continue the practice.

    There is a possibility that the "Preferred Insurance co" is totally OK with the "issue" ... as it's not really a safety issue ie: it shouldn't cause you to have an accident. In other words ... if you want to risk a breach of license condition charge ... they wont get their knickers in a twist over it. But you would need to actually read the policy first to confirm that.
    Sweat wipes off. Road-rash doesn't.

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    The old "exhaust switcheroo but still sold as Learner Approved" shenanigans. Dealers should know the law around lams bikes, but often dealers get modified trade-ins that they can't technically sell as LAMS under the letter of the law so they just sell them as LAMS. They'd be close enough to LAMS performance most of the time, except for some bikes on the edge like the MT-07.

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