How low can you go? The Sequel!

**White trash** · 23rd November 2005, 07:59

Low enough to grind both sides of the belly pan on my K3 Gixxer 1K. Them GSXRS are know for the lack of cornering clearance though.

Funny hearing riding tips from you Korea, last time I saw you you were flailing madly off the back of a NZ two fiddy on one wheel up a driveway somewhere.

**Korea** · 23rd November 2005, 14:08

Originally Posted by White trash

Funny hearing riding tips from you Korea, last time I saw you you were flailing madly off the back of a NZ two fiddy on one wheel up a driveway somewhere.

That *ahem* was intentional. Still can't ride for poos ~ but have learnt a trick or two...

**Korea** · 25th April 2006, 04:08

Long time, no practicing in carparks - the subway parking lot was completed and the place is now packed with parked cars.

No matter, there's another reasonably grippy carpark where us clowns like to take the 125s to practice more cornering ballet.

This was the day of the 'one-handed cornering challenge'.
Later we had the 'trying to get elbows down challenge' - that was a painful laugh...

Elbow-down videos to follow sometime soon.

Oh yeah: Doing circles in carparks will gain you up to 4 inches and make you more attractive to the opposite sex.

**Ham** · 25th April 2006, 10:16

How do you not get dizzy?

**Stevo** · 25th April 2006, 19:27

Originally Posted by Korea

Oh yeah: Doing circles in carparks will gain you up to 4 inches and make you more attractive to the opposite sex.

No it doesn't.
I spent the whole afternoon doing circles and only gained 4mm, and the wench who wanted a ride wasn't attracted to me she was just too fat and lazy to walk home from the shop at the front of the carpark. Woulda broken my suspension.

**Craig11** · 25th April 2006, 21:53

During this are you counter steering hard or steering in the direciton you want to go? I assume counter sterring but i don't wanna go try it and bail badly

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**sAsLEX** · 25th April 2006, 21:59

Originally Posted by Craig11

During this are you counter steering hard or steering in the direciton you want to go? I assume counter sterring but i don't wanna go try it and bail badly

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I am going to say some thing that might start an argument, but meh, counter steering only works at higher speeds where the gyroscopic effects of the wheel have taken effect.

EDIT: Pause the vid and you can see the wheel is pointing inwards so this is telling you what input he is putting through the bars, but also as this is fairly static the steering input would not be changin

Anyways just do whats feels natural, you cant not counter steer at high speed but people seem confused when its disscussed on here. ( unless you back it in etc or are wierd)

**Stevo** · 26th April 2006, 00:15

You will be slightly counter steering at slow speed, but if you learnt to ride a bicycle you will be doing it without thinking. All of us rode a bicycle first. It is hard to see in the vid because it has happened long before the corner. As the bike leans further and further till the point the rider apexes, he is not turning in enough to right the bike therefore why it leans more inward till the point maintains the lean angle. As he is righting the bike he is over turning to transfer the balance of weight into the vertical position. Simple really.

**Korea** · 26th April 2006, 05:07

Hmmm... that's a tough one. I'm not sure sAs.

The input to the bars is of the counter-steering variety to get the bike to pitch into the corner, even at this low speed.

Follow the instructions if you want to be a carpark clown too!
Don't try and 'make' the bike go low - you'll fall off like I did.
Ridiculously easy once you've practiced it for a while...

I agree that you can't NOT countersteer at high speed - get's you nowhere.

Getting the bike on its side while doing circles, I'm conciously relaxing my outside arm and keeping a little pressure on the inside one.

I agree that the front is probably turning inwards - perhaps I'm counter steering but just fighting it from turning further?

The more I relax the outside arm, the lower the bike goes until...

**sAsLEX** · 26th April 2006, 07:24

Originally Posted by Stevo

You will be slightly counter steering at slow speed, but if you learnt to ride a bicycle you will be doing it without thinking.

Not at very slow speeds you wont.

**kiwifruit** · 26th April 2006, 08:23

cool videos
thanks for sharing, esp the "elbows"

**R6_kid:Me** · 26th April 2006, 10:52

lol at the last bit, looked like they recovered from going to far, but then didnt give it enough gas to get enough momentum to keep it upright.

**Korea** · 26th April 2006, 13:47

Originally Posted by sAsLEX

Not at very slow speeds you wont.

So are you proposing that when I do the carpark circles (similar to crop circles but different), I'm turning the handlebars in the direction of the turn?
Uh-uh

That would never get the bike on its ear.

**imdying** · 26th April 2006, 14:17

The direction of the front wheel/bars and countersteering aren't the same thing though are they? Countersteering is the force you're applying through the bars isn't it? i.e. You're turning left, the bars/wheel is pointed left, but the pressure you're applying is on the inside of the left bar, and thus you're still countersteering?

**sAsLEX** · 26th April 2006, 14:39

Originally Posted by Korea

So are you proposing that when I do the carpark circles (similar to crop circles but different), I'm turning the handlebars in the direction of the turn?
Uh-uh

That would never get the bike on its ear.

nope, just that you can steer a bike at low speeds without using counter steering, but its pretty slow slower than your Carpark circles