How low can you go? The Sequel!

[sAsLEX]

but the pressure you're applying is on the inside of the left bar, and thus you're still countersteering?

IS this pressure he is applying turning him more is is he countering the the bars trying to turn more due to the angle of the front wheel and the lean angles involved, that is what I would say is happening....

[imdying]

Which is still countersteering, regardless of why you're doing it?

[Korea]

nope, just that you can steer a bike at low speeds without using counter steering, but its pretty slow slower than your Carpark circles

Ah! Now I get it... I fully agree.
Also agree with ID. Maybe during the slow carpark circles, the tyre is actually pointing in the direction of the turn, but the actual steering input is pushing forward on the inside bar.
(Or pulling slightly on the outside bar if you're doing things one-handed).
Anyways, the carpark stuff is just silly buggers but good practice.

[hXc]

Nice vids there Korea. **Hurries off to Pak 'N Save carpark**

[hXc]

**Comes back** They aren't closed yet

[Korea]

**Comes back** They aren't closed yet

[Jamezo]

Re. counter steering:

if you pay conscious attention when riding a pushbike, you'll notice something about the way it corners at relatively low speeds (~10-15kph).

to turn left, you provide an counter-steered input, you push on the left bar. this has the effect of tipping the bike in to the left.

now, if you watch carefully, you'll notice that as the bike tips in, the front wheel naturally 'falls in' to the line of the corner, to alter the contact position and balance the relationship between the center of gravity, the angle, and the position of the normal force.

this is the reason why people state 'counter-steering doesn't work at low speeds'

it does, the input is the same, but the visible effects are different.

it has little to do with gyroscopic precession; all the gyroscopic precession actually provides is a resisting force to having the angle of the wheels changed.

[Drew]

Read the first page of this thread and couldn't take any more of the shit being talked!
When cornering, put wieght on the inside bar, and outside foot peg, that's fuckin it!!!!!!
After you start decking out, move body wieght off the side,(not hanging off with your fuckin knee out,) just start with a little bit, shoulder first, then start to move yo ass over.
Keep at it.
Those of you who dont think I'm right, ask your self why Nori Haga keeps snapping foot pegs of when cornering, COS THATS HOW MUCH PREASURE GOES ON THE OUTSIDE PEG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Korea]

You're absolutely right Fizzerman!
...in fact what you wrote is the condensed version of page #1

[scracha]

More practice.
Practicing figure 8's in a closed carpark is good practice for all the skills you need on the road:
- looking at your ref' points, body position (trasitions!), brake timing, steering (er... kids... it's not really something to be all that proud of...)

That's what they do in the basic training in most Yurrupean countries. Wouldn't say figure 8's good for ALL skills

Also, should be on throttle all way through a corner to unload front tyre.

Must be summit to do with how I sit on the bike but I've never got my knee down in 13 years of riding. That includes track days etc where I'm getting good angles of lean, bobbling the edge of the tyres, scraping exhausts [1] and footpegs. Find my elbows closer to the ground than my knees...weird.

[1] Mate's MK1 Fazer 600 (never seen one here), thought I was scrawping footpegs till he waved arms about and pointed at scrawped exhaust. How the hell was I to know he'd taken the hero blobs off the pegs?

[Korea]

Getting your knee down isn't the be-all and end-all of riding corners. It isn't even 'fast'. What it's good for: to lower your centre of gravity (you can keep the bike more upright) and possibly more traction for the same amount of lean, give you a gauge as to how far you're cranked over, and for me, it makes me more stable through the corner. Last one - good for photo opportunities.

About throttle:

Once the throttle is cracked on, it is rolled on evenly, smoothly, and constantly throughout the remainder of the turn.

About when:

You get the gas on at the earliest possible moment in the corner. This does not mean at the apex, right before the apex or right after the apex or at any particular part of the turn, it means AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
Normally riders don't get back onto the throttle until after the steering is completed.
This makes sense. During the steering process, is is very difficult to work back into the throttle smoothly enough to keep from jerking the bike and upsetting it.
To meet the throttle standard, steering is completed before you start to get it on.

About weight:

The change in weight distribution from 70 front/ 30 rear (off the gas) to 40 front/ 60 rear (on the gas) is done as smoothly as possible to maintain stability and traction.

Quite a good read that Twist 2. Better than Twist 1 IMHO.

[Nitzer]

Cool vid and some good pointers - Thanks, I certainly need to practice my conering!

[Korea]

Ah... don't you just love reviving an old thread? No?

Have some more silly carpark videos from a little while back and didn't know where to put them.

Another bucket / minirace track plotted out with roller-blade cones. Me and the 4-stroke 125 Vs. 2-stroke NSR50.

We plotted out the corner like a miniture version of the first turn at Shanghai :-P lol

[Korea]

Same place, different day...

Was trying to see if it's possible to get an elbow down in a carpark.
Back end slid out a couple of times but I managed to stay on~!

I know it isn't exactly 'cool' riding round in circles in a carpark, but the truth is, it's pretty bloody fun if you've got a poxy little 125 you don't mind binning.
I'm thinking about breaking down the 125 and sending it over in boxes to keep practicing in NZ~ if anyone's keen? Or should I just get into bucket racing?