Four dead and two hurt today

**pritch** · 22nd November 2018, 11:50

Originally Posted by Ocean1

my brain was indeed far too busy dealing with other shit to be bothered about what my eyes might be seeing six inches in front of my face.

That would be true. The references I had seen previously were all racers or would have had other means of checking their actual speed. For the reason you mention though, I'm always sceptical when people are telling me of the high speed at which they took a particular corner. I find that if my relatively sedate speed is getting up there, I'm too busy to look at what the speedo is doing.

**Katman** · 22nd November 2018, 12:49

Originally Posted by Berries

So here's one of them.

Fucking cagers.

**trustme** · 22nd November 2018, 13:07

Originally Posted by Katman

Fucking cagers.

WTF I guess that's sarcasm

**rastuscat** · 22nd November 2018, 13:40

Originally Posted by Berries

So here's one of them.

https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/west-c...eath-passenger

Classic case, that.

One of my concerns about group rides is the guys who don't know how to just have one beer at a lunch stop. In my view, alcohol and motorcycling just don't mix. At all.

**rastuscat** · 22nd November 2018, 14:04

Originally Posted by pritch

That would be true. The references I had seen previously were all racers or would have had other means of checking their actual speed. For the reason you mention though, I'm always sceptical when people are telling me of the high speed at which they took a particular corner. I find that if my relatively sedate speed is getting up there, I'm too busy to look at what the speedo is doing.

I guess that is coz most keyboard warriors on here are awesomer than you.

**trustme** · 22nd November 2018, 14:32

Hey Rastus , can you confirm that the highest motorcycle acc claimants are as follows

1/ Sport bike riders
2/ Scooters
3/ Lams

Cruisers ie Harleys etc are down the list

I can't believe I am defending Harleys riders, I'm so ashamed

**Zipper2T** · 22nd November 2018, 15:14

Originally Posted by trustme

Hey Rastus , can you confirm that the highest motorcycle acc claimants are as follows

1/ Sport bike riders
2/ Scooters
3/ Lams

Cruisers ie Harleys etc are down the list

I can't believe I am defending Harleys riders, I'm so ashamed

The bike types
most in fatal
crashes were
CRUISER BIKES
SPORTS BIKES
Scooters were only 2% of the fatal crashes.

Fatally or seriously injured – annual average
July 2009-June 2014, 58% were riding bikes of 600cc or more, only 12% were riding bikes of less than 60cc.

https://msac.org.nz/assets/Uploads/p...t-of-truth.pdf

**SaferRides** · 22nd November 2018, 15:42

Originally Posted by Zipper2T

The bike types
most in fatal
crashes were
CRUISER BIKES
SPORTS BIKES
Scooters were only 2% of the fatal crashes.

Fatally or seriously injured – annual average
July 2009-June 2014, 58% were riding bikes of 600cc or more, only 12% were riding bikes of less than 60cc.

https://msac.org.nz/assets/Uploads/p...t-of-truth.pdf

What are the categories?

Just thinking it might be safer to sell the R1 and buy a KTM 1290 Adventure.

**Brett** · 22nd November 2018, 16:01

Can I just start blaming this on Trump, fake news and global warming? Thanks guys.

Oh yeah...ban motorbikes. They are dangerous and everyone needs to conform and use cars or public transport.

Hooroo then.

**jasonu** · 22nd November 2018, 16:06

Originally Posted by Brett

Can I just start blaming this on Trump,

Hooroo then.

I'm surprised Pritch hasn't already done that.

**roogazza** · 22nd November 2018, 16:19

Originally Posted by rastuscat

Kind of summarizes the last few posts.

Attachment 339626

You can see more and your brain can register more if you

Slow down
Move your head in a scanning motion

Cheers rastuscat, you've given me some reading on this subject and a few new words. Coming up 70 early next year and still not too old to learn.
I'll be scanning tomoro !

**sidecar bob** · 22nd November 2018, 17:11

Originally Posted by Zipper2T

The bike types
most in fatal
crashes were
CRUISER BIKES
SPORTS BIKES
Scooters were only 2% of the fatal crashes.

Fatally or seriously injured – annual average
July 2009-June 2014, 58% were riding bikes of 600cc or more, only 12% were riding bikes of less than 60cc.

https://msac.org.nz/assets/Uploads/p...t-of-truth.pdf

Cool, adventure bikes don't even feature

But seriously, the results were entirely predictable.

**trustme** · 22nd November 2018, 17:28

What percentage of recorded motorcycle accidents are fatal.??
Asking for a friend.

I guess fatals cost ACC fuck all. Surviving the off is where the costs really kick in.

**Kickaha** · 22nd November 2018, 18:14

Originally Posted by MD

once you get above 250 and chasing 300 kph your vision would focus further and further ahead. It was quite noticeable how all you could see was a spot miles ahead it seemed. Everything else becomes a blur.

We always called it tunnel vision although strictly speaking that is something else

**Swoop** · 22nd November 2018, 19:28

Originally Posted by rastuscat

Interesting concept. I've never found helmet openings to be a problem, I move my head.

Wasn't really referring to higher speeds, more around town/general riding where it is more relevant.
Try a few different lids on at a shop one day, stand in the same spot and memorise how far out each side you can see without moving your head. Interested to hear your views.

Nothing wrong with moving your head around, but I like to see as much as possible peripherally.

Originally Posted by FJRider

A simple turn of the head each way ... which we should be doing anyway at regular intervals ... and more often on busy areas would solve the issue.

Why not ride wearing a pair of binoculars up to your eyes? You could just move them about like you suggest & would be the same effect.