Four dead and two hurt today

[FJRider]

"A dog ran out."

Cassina's partner ???

[FJRider]

I got my knees in the breeze bro, I don't want to unite with those adventure bike homo's.

If they ride BMW's ... they must be OK ... right ??

[KezzaCFC]

It rings like a festering pile of propaganda, the table doesn't even refer to bike size. It's so obviously spun to present a presupposed argument against "born again" bikers it deserves zero credibility

And as it's exactly this sort of political spin that creates most "anecdotal evidence" that source is also about as credible as your aunt's knitting circle.

>70% of the distance traveled by riders 30+ is on a bike that is >600cc. https://www.transport.govt.nz/assets...cling-y812.pdf
Can almost guarantee the deaths are on high powered bikes.
No fucking way is your average weekend warrior boomer going to choose a piddly 400cc over a 1200cc cruiser.

[Ocean1]

>70% of the distance traveled by riders 30+ is on a bike that is >600cc. https://www.transport.govt.nz/assets...cling-y812.pdf
Can almost guarantee the deaths are on high powered bikes.
No fucking way is your average weekend warrior boomer going to choose a piddly 400cc over a 1200cc cruiser.

They aren't constrained by LAMS regulations. That's how the regulation works, why would anyone be surprised that the more experienced riders choose bigger bikes?

I'll just ignore the "almost guarantee" thing and the "high powered weekend warrior boomer" tag as the emotive bullshit it is. Apart from maybe pointing out that most 1200cc cruisers don't have significantly more horsepower than some piddly 400cc options. Also perhaps to point out that it's nobody's fucking business what bike those weekend warrior boomer arseholes chose to ride, and nor should it be.

[Zipper2T]

They aren't constrained by LAMS regulations. That's how the regulation works, why would anyone be surprised that the more experienced riders choose bigger bikes?

I'll just ignore the "almost guarantee" thing and the "high powered weekend warrior boomer" tag as the emotive bullshit it is. Apart from maybe pointing out that most 1200cc cruisers don't have significantly more horsepower than some piddly 400cc options. Also perhaps to point out that it's nobody's fucking business what bike those weekend warrior boomer arseholes chose to ride, and nor should it be.

When the old fools are crashing off the road every weekend, it becomes everybody's fucking business.

[rastuscat]

If they ride BMW's ... they must be OK ... right ??

Works for me.

On a more serious note when are we going to own this? Instead of bandying stats around.

It's always someone else.

We just finished a research project into drivers attitudes. In a very academic way, and I'll translate for the current audience, here's what we confirmed.

Almost everyone thinks they are better than average. Now, I'm no statistician, but that can't be true. Or the average would be higher.

Almost everyone thinks everyone else is the problem.

Almost everyone thinks education is a good idea. But only for everyone else. Very few see the need to do it themselves.

Almost everyone thinks the drivers in this country are awful. But almost nobody wants speed limits to be reduced. Go figure. We all support bad drivers, driving at unsafe speeds.

Owning the problem means owning the solutions. This is my insight. People turning across our path are always going to happen, but let's look for what we can do to overcome those errors. Like increasing our awareness, anticipating the error, factoring it into our positioning and speed.

But nah, easier to bang away about how everyone else is the problem.

[Laava]

Works for me.

On a more serious note when are we going to own this? Instead of bandying stats around.

It's always someone else.

We just finished a research project into drivers attitudes. In a very academic way, and I'll translate for the current audience, here's what we confirmed.

Almost everyone thinks they are better than average. Now, I'm no statistician, but that can't be true. Or the average would be higher.

Almost everyone thinks everyone else is the problem.

Almost everyone thinks education is a good idea. But only for everyone else. Very few see the need to do it themselves.

Almost everyone thinks the drivers in this country are awful. But almost nobody wants speed limits to be reduced. Go figure. We all support bad drivers, driving at unsafe speeds.

Owning the problem means owning the solutions. This is my insight. People turning across our path are always going to happen, but let's look for what we can do to overcome those errors. Like increasing our awareness, anticipating the error, factoring it into our positioning and speed.

But nah, easier to bang away about how everyone else is the problem.

Well, that's abit creepy! You've been talking to my wife!

[Ocean1]

When the old fools are crashing off the road every weekend, it becomes everybody's fucking business.

Firstly, no it fucking doesn't.

And secondly, they're not.

All clear now?

[jellywrestler]

But almost nobody wants speed limits to be reduced. .

and each time they do you just dumb down the drivers on these roads, they're all driving round in a day dream, and dead scared of getting nabbed trying to get past someone who is five ks under or incompetant which just means everyones more pissed off.

[Murray]

Firstly, no it fucking doesn't.

And secondly, they're not.

All clear now?

Cassina back under another name? Doesn't listen or understand anything

[rastuscat]

Well, that's abit creepy! You've been talking to my wife!

It informs how I'll be spinning my advertising campaigns. Blame someone else, then give some control.

For example, imagine seeing this billboard "People make mistakes, so slow down". This allows us to blame others, but have a solution.

Another gem. "People make mistakes, so wear your seatbelt".

How does my focus group (your wife) react to these gems?

[rastuscat]

and each time they do you just dumb down the drivers on these roads, they're all driving round in a day dream, and dead scared of getting nabbed trying to get past someone who is five ks under or incompetant which just means everyones more pissed off.

Said it further up this thread. We all think drivers are crap, but we're happy to have their kinetic energy and mistakes continue to happen at the speeds they do.

[Ocean1]

Works for me.

On a more serious note when are we going to own this? Instead of bandying stats around.

It's always someone else.

We just finished a research project into drivers attitudes. In a very academic way, and I'll translate for the current audience, here's what we confirmed.

Almost everyone thinks they are better than average. Now, I'm no statistician, but that can't be true. Or the average would be higher.

Almost everyone thinks everyone else is the problem.

Almost everyone thinks education is a good idea. But only for everyone else. Very few see the need to do it themselves.

Almost everyone thinks the drivers in this country are awful. But almost nobody wants speed limits to be reduced. Go figure. We all support bad drivers, driving at unsafe speeds.

Owning the problem means owning the solutions. This is my insight. People turning across our path are always going to happen, but let's look for what we can do to overcome those errors. Like increasing our awareness, anticipating the error, factoring it into our positioning and speed.

But nah, easier to bang away about how everyone else is the problem.

It's two separate issues.

Firstly, politicised bullshit needs to be pointed and laughed at or imbeciles think it's real.

Secondly, it's never anyone else's problem, nor do most around here think otherwise.

Also, what makes you think anyone gets to own any solution on anyone else's behalf? If we're supposed to take responsibility for our own safety then how does it work that everyone else gets to dictate how we go about that?

Sounds to me like you want everyone to agree that they, personally are responsible for issues that you've got a problem with and also to agree with how they should go about fixing that for you.

[rastuscat]

It's two separate issues.

Firstly, politicised bullshit needs to be pointed and laughed at or imbeciles think it's real.

Secondly, it's never anyone else's problem, nor do most around here think otherwise.

Also, what makes you think anyone gets to own any solution on anyone else's behalf? If we're supposed to take responsibility for our own safety then how does it work that everyone else gets to dictate how we go about that?

Sounds to me like you want everyone to agree that they, personally are responsible for issues that you've got a problem with and also to agree with how they should go about fixing that for you.

Nope, I may have written it to cause misunderstanding. I'll simplify.

I'd like people to do what they can to avoid shit that might happen to them.

It's actually possible to do this, and still enjoy riding.

My solutions are mine to address, not anyone elses.

[Murray]

dead scared of getting nabbed trying to get past someone who is five ks under or incompetant which just means everyones more pissed off.

What like Banditbandit

"A couple of weeks ago I came across a group of slow riders (doing under 100kph) wearing hi-Viz vests - I went round the outside on a wide open left-hander about 140klicks - found out later it was a Ride Forever course ... () .. bet the trainer had a bit to say to his pupils about the hoon on the Bandit .."

Is that cool?