drinking while driving

[bikaholic]

Extract from the Stuff article :

"The man was made to wait at the checkpoint for an hour and was then retested.
He was not over the drink-driving limit, so was not charged."

You asked a reasonable question, and I gave you a reasonable answer (which I
thought explained the likely circumstances). I'll make no further comment. Cheers.

beats being in disagreement with Kim Jung-un like his uncle and being shot by anti-aircraft gun.

[jasonu]

Yep, You claim an opinion, then debate to death anyone that challenges you.

This is the KB way described to a tee...
Haha you ain't been around these parts long have you podna...

[FJRider]

The stuff article stated from the police, he was not over the drink-drive limit, so was not charged, hence Kiwibiker overdrive.

The alcohol impairment in anyone does not just begin at the legal limit. As I have already stated ... being under the influence and over the the limit are two entirely different things.

I recall a "Memorial Ride" quite a few years back ... for a club president that died (in a non motorcycle accident). I was previously a member of that club ... and had done that ride on a few occasions. Stops were planned at pubs ... and in between those were stops at various scenic spots for a "Top-up" from their own "bring your own" supply. I don't drink and ride so I stopped doing the run.

A few years later the run was done and one rider showed up with a borrowed bike (with no WOF) ... wife on the back. About half way ... he got into the gravel on the left and lost control.

Wife died. Kids lost their mother.

Was breath tested and was under the limit.

Aside from the fact he didn't have a license ... he had been drinking and would have had some impairment with his riding.

Being legal and being entirely safe ... are not necessarily the same things.

The debate on a zero limit is a personal issue for most ... and regardless how many times anybody has ridden after drinking alcohol ... under the limit or not ... one day there may be an extra factor in the accident you are involved in. At fault (ie:your fuck-up that instigated the mess) or not ... you might need all the time you have to make decisions that might save your's and/or a loved one's life.

A lost half second or two can and has made differences MANY have regretted for the rest of their lives.

Thought for the day ... does being LEGAL also ALWAYS mean NOT (even partially) at fault ... ???

[skippa1]

I did say at full capacity & most drivers are pretty fucking useless so wouldn't surprise me if the amputees put in more effort.
If you're missing some ability you're automatically at a disadvantage, you might get by in a normal day-to-day (but so to does someone with a couple drinks, which was my point. A couple drinks ain't the problem) but when the shit hits the fan you don't have the full ability to take control (course too all this is moot when you just panic & freeze, which TBH is prob most peoples reaction).

I have had 37 years of riding bikes, driving cars, excavators, materials handlers, trucks and various other bits of machinery with two arms and legs. I have also had three years of driving cars (and have ridden bikes on occasion) missing one leg so I think I am qualified to comment unlike some that make assumptions based on half the knowledge.

A car fitted out appropriately for the disability, driven by the person it is fitted out for, means you have no less ability than anyone else.

[Scuba_Steve]

I have had 37 years of riding bikes, driving cars, excavators, materials handlers, trucks and various other bits of machinery with two arms and legs. I have also had three years of driving cars (and have ridden bikes on occasion) missing one leg so I think I am qualified to comment unlike some that make assumptions based on half the knowledge.

A car fitted out appropriately for the disability, driven by the person it is fitted out for, means you have no less ability than anyone else.

Nothing to do with the thread or arguments going on but just out of interest, how'd ya ride the bike? was it an automagic so gear leg not required or?

[skippa1]

Nothing to do with the thread or arguments going on but just out of interest, how'd ya ride the bike? was it an automagic so gear leg not required or?

right leg gone so not an issue with gear shifts, rode a GSX1000S, an old xr500 off road and a HD Dyna. I can lock the prosthetic knee at different angles so that I can weight bear on it when I stop without it folding.

[Scuba_Steve]

right leg gone so not an issue with gear shifts, rode a GSX1000S, an old xr500 off road and a HD Dyna. I can lock the prosthetic knee at different angles so that I can weight bear on it when I stop without it folding.

Sweet, how does it go with feel for the brakes? do you have progressive pressure or is it more an on/off sort of thing?

[skippa1]

Sweet, how does it go with feel for the brakes? do you have progressive pressure or is it more an on/off sort of thing?

Dont use the rear brakes at all as there is no feel. And just to pre empt any query about setup for a disability, no bike has been set up for my disability, I have jumped on mates bikes thay are good enough to let me have a go.



And I can still pop a decent wheelie

[russd7]

right leg gone so not an issue with gear shifts, rode a GSX1000S, an old xr500 off road and a HD Dyna. I can lock the prosthetic knee at different angles so that I can weight bear on it when I stop without it folding.

I rode a ZX12 that had been set up for a guy that had lost his left leg, the rear brake was disconnected and the gear shift set up on the right, I very rarely use the rear brake so that was not an issue and I got used to the gear change surprisingly quickly

[buggerit]

ok I'll concede that one, I looked it up again & while manual does show some greater attention on scans due to the enhanced involvement, there's no evidence to suggest they increase driver ability in the real world (other than 1 [to be replicated] study into ADHD drivers where they did much better with a manual). However it is suggested that the not so good drivers will naturally migrate towards automagics.


I did say at full capacity & most drivers are pretty fucking useless so wouldn't surprise me if the amputees put in more effort.
If you're missing some ability you're automatically at a disadvantage, you might get by in a normal day-to-day (but so to does someone with a couple drinks, which was my point. A couple drinks ain't the problem) but when the shit hits the fan you don't have the full ability to take control (course too all this is moot when you just panic & freeze, which TBH is prob most peoples reaction).

Got a mate in a wheelchair(electric) so far have converted a 2nd transit van, canam side by side and flat bottom lake boat for him, handles them as well
as anyone ,oh and the 2nd Transits repowered with a blown 351, 395kw, 800nm and 500kgs of wheelchair hoist gear definitely gets the power to the ground.
His attitude is most most things are just an engineering challenge waiting to be solved, fucking awsome!

[pritch]

While not completely relevant to the topic the thought process is similar.

Y'all will be aware there has been a major drama with some drones causing major delays at Gatwick airport in the UK. There was an article in The Guardian postulating that the answer to the problem was tougher regulations for drone users. Apparently it has escaped their notice that the person or persons responsible were completely ignoring all of the the existing regulations. So no change to the regulations could reasonably be assumed to have any effect whatsoever.

Some journalists get their money too easily.

[FJRider]

While not completely relevant to the topic the thought process is similar.

Y'all will be aware there has been a major drama with some drones causing major delays at Gatwick airport in the UK. There was an article in The Guardian postulating that the answer to the problem was tougher regulations for drone users. Apparently it has escaped their notice that the person or persons responsible were completely ignoring all of the the existing regulations. So no change to the regulations could reasonably be assumed to have any effect whatsoever.

Some journalists get their money too easily.

I would have thought you might have noticed a similar situation ... when with the toughening of the gun laws (anywhere) ... people still die from firearms.

However ... drinking alcohol and riding/driving while under the legal limit ... might be deemed unwise by some (me included) ... but totally within the law.

How would you think the cops feel ... when some turkey kills somebody's loved one (sometimes theirs) in/on their (or another) vehicle on the road ... gets a positive reading in the breath test ... and they then have to let them walk. Then the public social media outcry when they read about it in the papers ...

But ... tougher rules and penalties may encourage the same (or at least some) turkeys ... to not repeat it ... or (in reality) it may change nothing.

But public vote seekers will want to try (public hero and all that). I'm guessing the suggestion of rule tightening in this regard ... will be raised.

[jellywrestler]

But ... tougher rules and penalties may encourage the same (or at least some) turkeys ... to not repeat it ... or (in reality) it may change nothing.

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like the 4km'h hour tolerance has helped over the last few days, it just leads to desparation and people making stupid passes while staring at their speedo instead of the road ahead...

[FJRider]

like the 4km'h hour tolerance has helped over the last few days, it just leads to desparation and people making stupid passes while staring at their speedo instead of the road ahead...

Then when they turn into their driveway 250 km's further on ... they're 15 seconds ahead of you ...

[Viking01]

Recent US paper on lower blood alcohol limits. Report summary and conclusions
are in the first link.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...22437506000478
https://www.sciencedirect.com/journa...vol/37/issue/3

If you really want to read the full paper, you'll have to use the second link and
purchase a copy.