drinking while driving

[F5 Dave]

Just make the limit zero. If its zero, there is no tolerance everybody knows the limit.

Fuck people drinking and driving, there is already enough death on the road without letting dickheads decide what is acceptable before thyey hit the road.......or one of your kids, or a friend,or one of your family.


Too many entitled wankers on the road without impairing themselves with alcohol or drugs. So many people getting killed by fucktards that drive impaired and feel entitled.

Fuck em I say

But that won't stop or even deter the recidivist offenders. at all.

[FJRider]

Under the influence sounds wonderful but the link has to made and proven.

Just think ... if a few glasses of beer might slow your thinking down by half a second ... just think of a few close calls in your own driving/riding history. How many time would that last half second make it a life or death thing ... ???

[pritch]

Speed limits are ignored by most if it suits. As are the drug/alcohol limits by far too many. People are going to jail for an excessive number of drink driving convictions ... often it's not for the first time.

The one's that would adhere to these limits you've proposed ... were never the problem drivers with the current limits.

The guys who collect multiple drink driving convictions have a substance abuse problem. If permanently banned they will still drive. If their car is impounded they will have another in a week or two.

Most people that get caught in drink driving check points are only slightly over the limit, the NZTA's own doctor said they are not the guys causing the accidents. Then again the average kiwi driver has a pretty modest level of ability and their having that impaired at all is a worry.

Having undergone decades of behaviour modification already, a zero limit wouldn't bother me. There might be more barbecues at my place though?

[skippa1]

Speed limits are ignored by most if it suits. As are the drug/alcohol limits by far too many. People are going to jail for an excessive number of drink driving convictions ... often it's not for the first time.

The one's that would adhere to these limits you've proposed ... were never the problem drivers with the current limits.

But that won't stop or even deter the recidivist offenders. at all.

Yeah but who said this Turkey was a recidivist or one that has excessive convictions?

[jellywrestler]

Just make the limit zero. If its zero, there is no tolerance everybody knows the limit.

Fuck people drinking and driving, there is already enough death on the road without letting dickheads decide what is acceptable before thyey hit the road.......or one of your kids, or a friend,or one of your family.


Too many entitled wankers on the road without impairing themselves with alcohol or drugs. So many people getting killed by fucktards that drive impaired and feel entitled.

Fuck em I say

that's about as sensible as a zero speed limit

[skippa1]

that's about as sensible as a zero speed limit

Sounds to me you're trying to justify your own behaviours? And nothing like a zero speed ,limit....what a crock of shit......

[jellywrestler]

We all had a blow and nobody blew green which was pretty much as big a surpise to us as it was to him. He then asked one guy to take another mouthful and retest. Green!

well that's just dumb, most breath testers if they're any good will tell you to wait a quarter an hour.

[Viking01]

they need to differentiate between drunk and drugged, it could be that drunk is down and drugged is up which is what I would suggest.
people have been aware for a long time that being caught under the influence of alcohol is easy with a blow of the bag so to speak but roadside testing of drugs is not common so more likely to get away with it, unless of course they crash

Well, those out doing policing on the road do differentiate between drunk
driving and drugged driving.

In that if you are stopped for driving in an erratic manner - and you pass
an alcohol test (but are still suspected of not being in a fit state to be
driving), you may then be requested to undergo an impairment test.

Police officers loitering on this website can state the operational process
better than I.

But you have just pointed to some of the underlying issues re being tested
(and maybe prosecuted) for drunk driving and drugged driving. The point of
my post.

The alcohol metabolism process is very well understood, and the metabolic
rate by the body well known.

The effects of alcohol on the body (in terms of impairment) is also well
understood. Variation will occur according to factors such as body mass.

Hence the ease in setting of blood and breath alcohol limits.

And why there is calibrated breath and blood testing equipment available
that can be used on the roadside. Technology and cost thresholds have been
met.

The same cannot be said for drugs, whether they be recreational or medicinal.

Drug metabolism processes are not necessary well understood, metabolic rates
are not necessarily well known, nor how such drugs actually cause impairment.

A level of one drug that might cause impairment in one individual may have
little or no effect on another. Causing authorities some difficulty in the
setting of a level at which some-one may be deemed to be "impaired"
("over the limit").

Drugs may also have been taken in conjunction with alcohol, which just
complicates the situation.

Hence largely why the more recent roadside impairment test was introduced
into NZ.

In some cases (marijuana, ecstacy and methamphetamine), roadside test
kits are available. Deployed in parts of Australia (e.g. Queensland and NT).

But I understand that test kits for a wide range of other drug types (e.g.
prescribed drugs such as sedatives and analgesics) currently fall into one
of the following :

- tests are not yet available (saliva, blood, urine samples),
- testing is not able to be performed in a timely manner on the roadside,
- test kits are not yet cost effective

[bikaholic]

Just think ... if a few glasses of beer might slow your thinking down by half a second ... just think of a few close calls in your own driving/riding history. How many time would that last half second make it a life or death thing ... ???

A few glasses of beer, being under the limit but under the influence clearly does not compute. A few glasses and your over the limit. Over several hours, body breaking down 1 standard unit of alcohol an hour, still hard to be over the limit.
We have a new lower legal limit inline with most countries, the 3 lives saved by lowering the limit has not happened. Why, because they extrapolated the 30 mg difference across the whole drink driving population, multiplied it with 1000% fairy dust. Those way over the limit crash, kill and dont give a fuck about any arbitary legal number.
Did the biker that killed his passenger on the Pike River Tribute run consider that number at any stage of the ride?, or the possible likelyhood or outcome? No, and the newer legislation just picks the low lying fruit who arent the problem, hence the drink drive road toll increases.

[jellywrestler]

Sounds to me you're trying to justify your own behaviours? And nothing like a zero speed ,limit....what a crock of shit......

how many people between zero and the current limit have accidents that a proved to be due to alcohol? it's the cunts who don't give a shit about how much they drink so why drop to zero and fuck over all those that adhere to the rules?
that's about as good as the 4% tolerance over xmas too
and yio, i sometimes have abeer while driving, i don't drink coffee and need to make sure i get value for money from my cup holder.....

[skippa1]

how many people between zero and the current limit have accidents that a proved to be due to alcohol? it's the cunts who don't give a shit about how much they drink so why drop to zero and fuck over all those that adhere to the rules?
that's about as good as the 4% tolerance over xmas too
and yio, i sometimes have abeer while driving, i don't drink coffee and need to make sure i get value for money from my cup holder.....

Cause it's all about you aye

[Scuba_Steve]

Just make the limit zero. If its zero, there is no tolerance everybody knows the limit.

Fuck people drinking and driving, there is already enough death on the road without letting dickheads decide what is acceptable before thyey hit the road.......or one of your kids, or a friend,or one of your family.


Too many entitled wankers on the road without impairing themselves with alcohol or drugs. So many people getting killed by fucktards that drive impaired and feel entitled.

Fuck em I say

How Zero is Zero?
Remember if it's true Zero there's no Ginger Beer, Lemon lime bitters, Kombucha, Apple Juice, Orange Juice, Grape Juice, Burger buns, rolls, Vinegar, etc etc etc


Fun Fact: the limit has never been the problem & no study has shown any discernible difference between .8 .5 & 0 limits vs road tolls

[skippa1]

how many people between zero and the current limit have accidents that a proved to be due to alcohol? it's the cunts who don't give a shit about how much they drink so why drop to zero and fuck over all those that adhere to the rules?
that's about as good as the 4% tolerance over xmas too
and yio, i sometimes have abeer while driving, i don't drink coffee and need to make sure i get value for money from my cup holder.....

Its beside the point how any have, if you take the guess work out, the majority wont guess.....

[skippa1]

How Zero is Zero?
Remember if it's true Zero there's no Ginger Beer, Lemon lime bitters, Kombucha, Apple Juice, Orange Juice, Grape Juice, Burger buns, rolls, Vinegar, etc etc etc


Fun Fact: the limit has never been the problem & no study has shown any discernible difference between .8 .5 & 0 limits vs road tolls

I haven't heard of anyone failing from ginger beer, apple juice, grape juice, burger buns, rolls, vinegar, please ....prove me wrong

[bikaholic]

Liquor is regarded as 2 parts percent of alcohol proof, equates to 1.14% or higher.
That includes liquor ban areas, as anything less is not liquor.
One might be able to exceed the legal drinkdrive limit in a few hours but it would be hard to keep it up.