LTNZ recommends lowering speed limit on rural winding roads

**Rashika** · 17th October 2005, 08:16

Originally Posted by Weasel

I did a long drive once down the M1 where I was doing at least 110mph the whole way... doing that in kph in this country would be considered speeding.

no that would be considered loss of licence stuff, and the M1 is a little different to most of NZ roads.

IMHO reducing the road speed is going fix bugger all ...roads that are slow and windy and require a little more attention *most* people take care on anyway, its the ones that aren't that make people complacent, and take risks.

**TLDV8** · 17th October 2005, 08:37

The problem is the laws are set by people using the perfect world outlook,lower the limit to lower the toll (NZ's road toll is dismal by population) the only people abiding by any limit are the already sensible drivers..the retards will continue as they did... The problem is 60% + of NZ drivers are morons...off topic,but remember when they bought in the no lapsed Rego thing,did they really think that would have any affect on those who did not register their vehicle?... Remember this is a Country you can travel to with no medical insurance and will get free assistance which led to things like group pregnancy tours from oversea's because you could simply get off a plane,go to a maternity hospital for free delivery and a bonus NZ passport for the infant?...As far as driving i have a 1.3 auto Nissan wagon,the speedlimit is not a problem...they could lower the limit to walking pace,would it have stopped the 8 or so deaths in the BOP in the last week or so,i doubt it...Where are the bright ideas to reduce the toll then,it seems a lot of drivers struggle on the straight bits of road let alone the bendy bits?

**bear** · 17th October 2005, 09:06

I think it'll lead to more confusion.

We use to have only 30, 50, 70 and 100 limits.
Now we have 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 90, 100. Quite hard to keep up sometimes in unfamiliar areas.

**Beemer** · 17th October 2005, 09:42

We live on a country road and there is no way you could do 100kph all along it as there are 45kph blind corners, no centre white line and there's a bank on one side and farm fences on the other. Even on the bike, if you meet the milk tanker, you are on the grass whether you like it or not. Most of us drive/ride to the conditions and the ones who don't end up in the paddocks!

The stupid thing is, most of the danger spots aren't on rural roads like this, they are in rural AREAS - often the roads where accidents occur are wide, straight and can easily cope with 100kph traffic. You don't often hear of fatal accidents on roads like ours, because people don't get the chance to speed. And I'd like to see the cops trying to hide down our road with a speed camera - try parking in our driveway sunshine and expect to be pelted with rocks!

It's like anything, it won't have much effect on those of us who use speed appropriately and don't go like a bat out of hell in areas that are unforgiving if we make a mistake - and nor will it stop idiots from killing themselves. As far as I can see, it's a win-win situation all round if they carry on removing themselves from the gene pool!

**XP@** · 17th October 2005, 10:43

Originally Posted by spudchucka

Cops aren't going to suddenly target twisty rural roads. If they wanted to they could catch a shit load of people speeding now by simply concentrating on those roads, a 10kph drop in the speed limit on these roads isn't going to change the way they operate.

BTW I'm opposed to this idea.

We already have a thread on the effects of this new trial, aparently these roads are also going to be Zing free. http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=18530
Personally I think looking at my speedo whilst taking a series of bends is a bloody stupid occupation, I'm looking 100% at the road, adjusting my speed to a speed which is appropriate for the conditions and the law can get F***ed if i am going to go down without a fight on that one.

Originally Posted by ixion

This isn't driven by the police, it's the LTSA driving it.

Yes, true, but it dosent stop them taking advantage of it. And try telling me they have had no communication on the subject.

**spudchucka** · 17th October 2005, 11:50

Originally Posted by Ixion

This isn't driven by the police, it's the LTSA driving it.

Yep, I realise that, I was responding to storm's post, #8 in this thread, which asked if the number of tickets issued would take a sharp upturn following such a change. I guess I should quoted him directly??

**spudchucka** · 17th October 2005, 11:53

Originally Posted by XP@

We already have a thread on the effects of this new trial, aparently these roads are also going to be Zing free. http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=18530

The way I see it that thread was about one cop with a bad attitude and several KB members with severe attitude retardation.

**Lou Girardin** · 17th October 2005, 13:50

The other interesting comment was that the Police and LTNZ could not identify any roads where the limit could be raised to 110 km/h.
For starters, there's parts of the McKenzie country, part of the Desert Rd, most motorways, Helen's favourite piece of road - Waimate to ChCh, where 180 k's is quite safe.
But when you're a fanatic and think speeding is the root of all evil, you wouldn't find any roads, would you?
As for John Kelly of The Police saying they don't expect ticket numbers to rise. Yeah right John.

**froggyfrenchman** · 17th October 2005, 14:13

oh great. See how they arnt putting the speeds up in other stretches anymore... Because you know we will all die imediatly apon reaching 110kph on any nz roads.

Translation. REVENUE GATHERING

**spudchucka** · 17th October 2005, 14:28

Originally Posted by froggyfrenchman

oh great. See how they arnt putting the speeds up in other stretches anymore... Because you know we will all die imediatly apon reaching 110kph on any nz roads.

Translation. REVENUE GATHERING

That is such a tired and boring arguement.

**Lou Girardin** · 17th October 2005, 14:32

One saving grace is that Wobbie is leaving early. Now that his bum buddy George is out of cabinet there's no-one left to play Mummies and Daddies with.
But knowing how quasi-military organisations work, Wobbies successor has been groomed to display all the right attitudes. We probably won't see commonsense re-introduced to the Police.

**geoffm** · 17th October 2005, 15:02

Originally Posted by riffer

stuff website reports:
Plans to increase the speed limit to 110kph on wider, longer roads were shelved when Transit engineers found none of New Zealand's roads were suitable.

"We are not interested in revenue at all and in fact the number of tickets issued around New Zealand is steadily declining. If the speed limit is more appropriate to the road then there should actually be less tickets."

Yeah ,right. Declinging tickets and income, the metric by which certain people's performance is measured and they
If the speed limit was appropriate for the road, only the top 15% would get nicked. The truth is different.

As for no roads in the country capable of taking a 110kph limit. There is not one? Not even the canterbury plains?
Geoff

**Lou Girardin** · 17th October 2005, 15:44

They used the 15th percentile when cameras were first introduced. It didn't last long though, the revenue stream was way too low. Although one road was reputed to have a 15th percentile speed of 127 km/h.

**Storm** · 17th October 2005, 15:54

Originally Posted by spudchucka

Yep, I realise that, I was responding to storm's post, #8 in this thread, which asked if the number of tickets issued would take a sharp upturn following such a change. I guess I should quoted him directly??

I must say, it does put me in mind of gas station attendants copping all the flak when head office shafts Joe Public yet again.

Like it or not, the law is the law- if you choose to flout it(as is your right as a free thinking individual) and you will wear the consequences. If you dont like it, A) move elsewhere (Germany and the like have 300 km/h roads I'm told)
B) Do your moaning to those it might make a difference to -ie Head Office