Killers?

[MSTRS:Me]

When and where has this been tried.
I can't recall any serious attempt.

Can't quote anywhere for certain, but you can be sure that these kids would stay away in droves, It is a case of "I'll do it where & when I like. I am not going to be controlled"

[marty]

centre of the manukau velodrome, purpose built pads in otahuhu, meremere, drifting @ pukekohe. problem is most of them can't drive for shit (like RWD imprezza crash dude) and the track has too much pressure for them. they still behave like bullet proof dicks everywhere else though.

i paid a visit to a young guy from up the road who was ripping up the local rugby grounds. when i asked him if he'd like me to get the senior 15 to come and discuss his actions with him, he politely apologised, and promised he would replace all the divots, and that he wouldn't be back.

he did, and he hasn't.

[marty]

and aaron, i just can't agree with your sentiment, although i do understand where you're coming from. i've seen it (a lot) 1st hand, and although some of the deaths are just proving darwins thoery, many of them are a complete waste of a good life (especially when it's innocent bystanders/drivers) and the effect on a family is long lasting, and significant.

[Marmoot]

Can you stop it?
Should you stop it?
As I see it kids rebelling, challenging the ideas and beliefs of their elders normal and healthy.
I believe that that is what enables society to evolve.

We should embrace it and encourage it. Why not build safe places for them to hang out, to race when they want, to do burn outs when they want to.
Help them to build fast cars - so it is done safely and properly.
Because you are not going to stop it with regulation or force so you may as well work with them than against them.

I agree wholeheartedly. But unfortunately manuboy was right. It has been tried and only worked to some extent.
Some of them likes the thrill of being in public place, and will not go to the proper avenue.

A bit like us really. Some of us prefers to go for a blat in public road instead of racetrack. (Don't blame me. I'm not raising opinion, just simply stating the facts).
(thank God) the difference is that we relatively have more experience and more mature than them before doing so, and it's not for the cool factor either. Hence we are more controlled than these teenagers.

But again, the question is: should we stop it? More importantly, how do we stop it without becoming a police-state?

I'd say it comes from family education and teaching understandings

[Ixion]

.. we relatively have more experience and more mature than them before doing so, and it's not for the cool factor either. Hence we are more controlled than these teenagers.

..

Oh goody. Are we? I must draw this to Mrs Ixion's attention.

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and aaron, i just can't agree with your sentiment, although i do understand where you're coming from. i've seen it (a lot) 1st hand, and although some of the deaths are just proving darwins thoery, many of them are a complete waste of a good life (especially when it's innocent bystanders/drivers) and the effect on a family is long lasting, and significant.

so duz eartquakes and huricanes, but ya cant do fukal about that either..I was just being honest, I used to think I felt sorry for them and then realized I dont really...for some reason people seem to think the world is becoming a horrible place, I just believe the Press/medeia are getting better at reporting it..you will never hear about the hundreds that die of bee stings and allergy's coz that would be booring news..and no one would care.

[yungatart]

This young fella was told by his specialists that due to injuries suffered in the accident he shouldn't drive for 12 months-due to the likelihood he would experience blackouts. As a parent, if my kid was told that, they would NOT be driving and putting others at risk. The parents who provided the wherewithal to get him a car should be shot. Talk about irresponsible!
I have a 14 y/o- he's not allowed on the road so races buckets at the track-learns the skills in a controlled environment with the support of parents and others, hopefully it will stop him using the road as a racetrack when he gets his licence.

[yungatart]

But again, the question is: should we stop it? More importantly, how do we stop it without becoming a police-state?

I'd say it comes from family education and teaching understandings

Read the thread on teenage road deaths started just after this accident-sorry don't know how to post the link

[marty]

absolutely. some would say that 'you know the risk - if you don't want to die in a car crash, stay off the road'. sometimes though, it's a waste. every 23 seconds somewhere in the world one person dies in a car crash (in yr 2000 1.26 million deaths due to vehicle crashes - from WHO).

in NZ it's about 1 every 17 hours.

[Colapop]

....I just believe the Press/medeia are getting better at reporting it..

The media getting better?? Don't you mean more sensationalist? You only need to look at the number of "Wildest Police Chases" (or similar) shows on TV to see just how sensational news reporting is getting. I think as kids have spent more time in front of TV as youngsters then (finally) gone outside they've been desensitised to reality and their perceptions of their infallibility (bulletproofedness ??) are way out of wack. A case of life imitating TV?

[Marmoot]

Oh goody. Are we? I must draw this to Mrs Ixion's attention.

Yes we are!
My experience alone would offset those with not enough experience
but you didn't hear this from me, ok?

[Lou Girardin]

The kids father is defending him publicly. The best thing that could happen for society is that both die together in a crash before the little mongrel kills an innocent victim.

[Colapop]

I haven't seen much of the father but I know I would defend my kid at all costs - The thing is I wouldn't give my kid a $12k car to kill himself (and/or others) in the first place. I think Terninal's got the right idea...

.. I take them on a controlled environment, and teach them how to do it properly.
I have an eight year old daughter that has driven my car (although her legs are short so I had to operate the pedals)

Teach them right, from the start. Unfortunately if the parents shouldn't have been allowed to breed in the first place..

[oldrider]

"Freedom" -"Responsibility"-"Outcome"-"Accountability"-"Consequences"

Individual freedom or State Control?

There is always consequence

More bad individual behaviour, more State control, less individual Freedom.

Our young people mimic us and the State takes advantage of our behaviour.

Good bye free world.

John.

[Lou Girardin]

I haven't seen much of the father but I know I would defend my kid at all costs -

This is the problem, these people are too busy being 'mates' with their kids and not being parents.
When the little shit is being a clueless ratbag, his parents have a duty to tell him he's a clueless ratbag.
Or would that damage the little darlings self-esteem?