Are you committing corner crime?

**R6_kid:Me** · 17th October 2005, 17:54

as said, a lot of the pics are knee down when you dont need to be (i lean more on my ZXR and never put my knee on the ground)

The only other things i can think of are that in the second to last pic of the first group, the wheel is turning in (not countersteering)... oh yeh and everything you do is done on a paved carpark(?) area... bikes belong on tracks or roads!!!

**Mental Trousers** · 17th October 2005, 18:17

Originally Posted by gareth_d

The only other things i can think of are that in the second to last pic of the first group, the wheel is turning in (not countersteering)...

Well spotted, although I think his speed is too low to be able to counter steer through the entire manoeuvre.

And I was wrong, he is using Yamuda fairings!!

One question, what exactly are you doing with your inside foot?? It looks like you've got the bottom of your foot flat against the engine cover in a few of them.

**Silage** · 17th October 2005, 18:18

Is the bike moving in any of those pics?
(I stared at them a long time and not one moved!!)

**Reefer** · 17th October 2005, 21:05

The last picture looks like he has a handfull of front brake. Any closer? BTW checked and looks like his leathers are around the right way!!!

**TwoSeven** · 17th October 2005, 21:28

Originally Posted by Jimmie

Is the bike moving in any of those pics?
(I stared at them a long time and not one moved!!)

No, that would requrie animated gifs.

**Random** · 18th October 2005, 06:31

Originally Posted by gareth_d

oh yeh and everything you do is done on a paved carpark(?) area... bikes belong on tracks or roads!!!

Yeah I was thinking that too gareth !

Ricky.

**Korea** · 18th October 2005, 15:26

Okay, here's my take on the cornering techniques shown:
I'll just focus on pictures C and D to save space.

Rider C (okay, so it's me) is so desperately trying to get his knee down, and yes, the angle isn't all that steep but with the cheap 110x80x17 tyres there isn't a lot of grip either.

However, look at the way his upper-body is crossed up. He's gripping the handlebars tight and actually holding himself over the bike's centre line. He isn't going 'with' the bike, but fighting it. He wants the bike to follow the green line, but his body is following a different line, it's crossing the bike's line.

Meanwhile, Rider D has fallen comfotably to the inside of the bike's centre line. He has relaxed into the cornering position and is looking through the turn. His line is following that of the bike with a slightly smaller radius from being left-of-centre. His centre of gravity is lower and he's not fighting the bike, which is letting the suspension and tyres make the most of what little traction there is.

Rider C's style does remind us of some great riders: Norick Abe, and sometimes Doohan (but of course they do it better!) and it does have a small advantage in that he may be able to see further around blind corners. More recently, I believe, we're seeing a change to rider D's style (see pix below).

In the end, you're right. Getting your knee down doesn't mean you're fast. These corners were done at around 50k in a carpark. What you do on the road is up to you but I hope this may have been interesting to see.

**Mental Trousers** · 18th October 2005, 15:59

There's nothing wrong with C's style if that's the most comfortable for him (that's basically how I ride and anything else feels wrong to me). It has the advantage of having more control as his shoulder is close to being inline with his inside hand, so he has more leverage on the inside bar and steering accuracy is better. Gripping the bars tightly is definitely wrong and you need a relaxed grip, however, that style and gripping the bars too tightly don't necessarily go together.

The D rider is using a more common style. The main advantage of it is that he's got almost all of his wieght on the inside of bikes centreline. However, that has the disadvantage of generating more sideways force on the tyre unless he wieghts the outside peg.

There really isn't 1 totally correct style. The fastest riders on the planet all ride differently because that's what is fastest for them.

**SlowHand** · 18th October 2005, 17:06

I've been thinking

what if I stood up - I mean stand up a fair bit, weight the outside peg while leaning into the corner? Would I get more weight inside, or would I be too much wind resistance/unstability from being too far from the bike?

I'd go out now and try it but I still havent got the bike yet and don't think I'll really notice the diff without going flatout round a track.

**TwoSeven** · 18th October 2005, 17:38

What I want to know is how each rider is going to steer the bike with those positions. It'd be safer if they got off and walked. Cant really see rider C, but the other chap looks like his forearm positions are incapable of pushing on the bars effectively. Cant really make it out from the photos, dont know whats intended either, so not bothered with the result.

**flash** · 18th October 2005, 20:08

woo hoo i got it right!! (i just writ the wrong answer.....sorta)

**Korea** · 19th October 2005, 02:59

Originally Posted by Strat

I've been thinking

what if I stood up - I mean stand up a fair bit, weight the outside peg while leaning into the corner? Would I get more weight inside, or would I be too much wind resistance/unstability from being too far from the bike?

Do you mean like SuperMoto-style? Some of those riders can get stupendous angles of lean while keeping their body upright.
On a sports bike, I imagine your centre of gravity would get quite messy as your body acts like a lever; meaning any small movements you make while you're up there will translate to big movements down below at your pivot point.
But then again, all I know is that I know nothing.

**The Pastor** · 18th September 2007, 16:25

I know its an old thread, but does anyone know a good carpark in auckland to practice this sorta stuff at?

EDIT: this really should be a sticky btw. i've had to search for it a number of times.