Am I correct in thinking you mean something along the lines of 'pay peanuts, get treated by Dr Monkey'?Originally Posted by Jim2
Man, you are too square.
Am I correct in thinking you mean something along the lines of 'pay peanuts, get treated by Dr Monkey'?
Must go faster - but how?
I know a bit about this.....
If a patient refuses a blood transfusion because they are a JW, I cannot give them one. If I do, I can up for a power of shit, including assault.
The surgeon cannot deny the transfusion based on religious belief.
So if a Dr, (Dr Mormon, in this case), refuses to chart blood when needed, and a patient dies, (assuming they needed it, and wanted it), it is the doctor who has done wrong. No arguement. Not a legal leg to stand on. In reality, somebody else would have charted it, thus avoiding the problem.
Patient's rights are paramont.
Reality is, the JW Dr's I know are pretty pragmatic, stick to their own beliefs, and practice with the patients best MEDICAL intention in mind.
At the rise of the hand by Policeman, stop rapidly. Do not pass him by or otherwise disrespect him.
gee wizzz
holey cow you lot -has New Zealand really become this PC
The guy wont prescribe the pill. SO BLOODY WHAT??????
The ladies concerned have other doctors they can go to
Hey I refuse to get finance for customers from loan shark type finance companies it goes against what I believe in --if the customers want to go to those places themselves they I'm not gonna stop em
To see a life newly created.To watch it grow and prosper. Isn't that the greatest gift a human being can be given?
Must go faster - but how?
Slight difference here Frosty is in some areas you can only go to one GP because there is only one GP.
It's not like a car yard with 2000 different ones in AUckland.
Patient continuity counts for a lot as well. It not as easy as walking up to any old GP and demanding pills.
History will have to be taken, old medical records located, discussion about life and stuff etc....
Good on the guy for sticking to his beliefs, but me thinks there is alterior motives for this decision, not altruistic ones.
Also, I dont pay you to sell cars and give advice about them, but we do with GP, through the Gummermint, like the cops. You make your own rules largely, and if you make the right ones, your business does better.
There is a principle at stake here which has wider implications than contraception
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Guru
It is a bloody worry that womens access to choice in regards to their health, fertlity, and abortion is now starting to be questioned by men in 1st world countries!
USA has a shit storm about abortion,NZ now has a shit storm about some guy who refuses to prescribe the pill.
Has the womens movement been for nothing if the youth of today will take this sitting down?
Religion has its place for some, but disenpowering women for all intents and purposes in the name of god is absolute crap!!!!
Grrrr how would you feel if your daughter, sister, mother,wife was refused a script for contraception because some god driven GP thought he had the right to make judgements about her decisions.
Concerned about this trend...you bet.
In this day of the knowledge revolution fundamentalism is something I am astounded by!
By the way, I'm not a feminazzi, I do like men (lots), and I'm not on pill. This is not so much about women but about responsible lives.
How would you feel as males if the women you were shagging said "opps we are now going to have a baby because my doctor is catholic and told me it is a sin to use contraception" when you assumed she was protected...and don't try and tell me that you always ride in wets...because that is just crap for the majority of men.
Even catholics use contraception for goodness sake...it is a far bigger crime to bring children into the world who are unwanted and who are not cared for.
Guru
Hmmmm me thinks I will take some time to cool off...see you on the flip side
Forum whore
There's a correction needed here. Just checked with some legal people I know. The doctor when dispensing contraceptives is not an agent of the state. They may have a monopoly on supplying certain contraceptives in line with statute or govtment polocy but that in no way makes them an agent of the state. I still hold the same view that their morals should not be used to prevent a patient from using a contraceptive as she is entilted to under law. This is not about choice but patients rights.
Skyryder
Free Scott Watson.
Forum whore
There was a letter in the Chch Press today 18/10/05 abotu this. Seems the doctor was a Middle Eastern typ.
Skyryder
Free Scott Watson.
Forum whore
Not intending any reflection on any JWs who are doctors, or suggesting that they would not put the patient first. Just using them as an example that there are other (non RC) doctors who must sometimes do things which are for their pateients benefit, even though those things may conflict with their own religious beliefs. As you say.
The Loose Goose
I had to go into hospital yesterday for a minor operation and was made to take a bloody pregnancy test! Despite telling the nurse I was not pregnant, nor had I ever been, and showing her the pill packet I was told to bring with me, I was still required to take the test - and then charged for it on my bill! So that hospital is getting a shitty letter from me today - do they test EVERY female who comes in, and why? Surely if a woman says she is NOT pregnant and signs something to that effect, why is it necessary?
Yes, I am pedantic about spelling and grammar so get used to it!
One, two free, floor!
Agreed 100% - it is BS.
Forcing a service on you and then charging you for it??? I don't think so. That's called a levy or a tax.
As for the original topic, I have no problems with a doc sticking to their beliefs and acting (within the law) accordingly.
The only thing I ask is that they make their conditions of practice know before any chargeable activity is engaged in.
I.e. before I have to pay you money, tell me you're not going to give me what I want. To do otherwaise is BS>
aaaaaaaaaaa rant over.
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Guru
Funny thing about that is if you were pregnant you wouldn't have been charged for the test!
They will not pay for negative results but a positive results falls under pre-natal care!!! How weird is that.
Although...re: the insistence for the test...I do know a person who went in to get her tubes tied and was told to take a test before the op. She found out she was 4 months pregnant at that time!
The Loose Goose
I would still have been charged - I was in a private hospital to have a cyst removed (and no, it wasn't on an ovary or anything fertility related) and I got charged for EVERYTHING they used on me - needles, sutures, oxygen, etc. What I am angry about is being charged for a test that was not necessary and one that I felt was an imposition. If it were required prior to surgery, my specialist would have ordered it along with the blood tests - and it would have been free. If I were being operated on for anything relating to fertility or sterilisation, I would fully expect to be tested. I wasn't, and to my mind it was as relevant to my surgery as being tested for drugs or HIV - both of those tests would come back negative too!
As for the doctor not prescribing the pill - as long as he gives the women other options, I don't really have a problem with it. Having said that, my first doctor was a Catholic and he had no problem with it, so I think it must be a personal decision for this particular doctor.
Yes, I am pedantic about spelling and grammar so get used to it!
Weekend cruiser
In regards to the doc not prescribing the pill - there is always the morning after pill (now known as emergency pill I think).
Beemer - should of told them you are gay or have been celebite (sp) for the last 3 years or something.
One, two free, floor!
If a doc refuses to prescribe the pill - wouldn't the Morning After Pill be equally objectionable? (not having a go - but in my mind it would be "worse" from that moral viewpoint)
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