60minutes tonight (tv3)! (17 October 2005)

[avgas]

"Na that carbon came from the oil mixing with the water!" hmmm if this was such a big find you'd think he would make sure his rings were sweet.

Bull shit people, plain and simple

Yeh imagine how much oil he goes through......mabey thats the where the 15c comes from

[willy_01]

it uses oil maybe its a new 3 stroke?

[speights_bud]

THATS THE ONLY HOLE I COULD FIND IN HIS STORY

I agree (dammit) but yes there is more to it than pure H2O. And until the damnpatent comes through we wont know what its made up of, unless someone fancy's taking on that bodyguard of his to 'borrow' some fuel.

[WINJA]

I agree (dammit) but yes there is more to it than pure H2O. And until the damnpatent comes through we wont know what its made up of, unless someone fancy's taking on that bodyguard of his to 'borrow' some fuel.

THAT BODY GUARD PUNCHED ME IN THE FACE ABOUT 5 YEARS AGO AND IT FUCKEN HURT AND IT WAS FUCKEN FAST AND I DIDNT SEE IT COMING

[speights_bud]

Well next time you write him angry letters in CAPITALS, Make sure you leave your helmet on!

[N4CR]

You'll have to elaborate on that "electrons moving around in shells and stuff" bit. Electrons are what make up the atoms, hydrogen can't get trapped inside or by an electron if thats what you are getting at.

I didn't really understand it back at school, but periodic tables are made up of like neutrons and shit in the nucleus and then how many electrons, what im thinking is it changes that stuff to make a different material/liquid or something through that process, basically making the water more volatile.

[Hammer]

The emmissions bit made me lets say very sceptical!!!

[Beemer]

I have a saying
"If i looks like a 350 Goose,
Smells like a 350 Goose,
Sounds like a 350 Goose..........you know the rest"

Hey, all you guys are just jealous - if it does turn out to be true, at least he's proven it works on MY bike - woo hoo!

[speights_bud]

I didn't really understand it back at school, but periodic tables are made up of like neutrons and shit in the nucleus and then how many electrons, what im thinking is it changes that stuff to make a different material/liquid or something through that process, basically making the water more volatile.

Hence he will not drink the 'WATER BASED FUEL' after it come out of his box. and changing the number of protons is a very difficuilt task, because if it wasnt we could easily create millions of tons of gold. As far as i understand the only way to create an atom with a different number of protons is with very large particle's through radioactive decomposition.

[SlashWylde]

Well OK, here's the thing. His gadget which he pours the water into, then connects two wires to is a diversion. From what I gathered it is a passive device, i.e. there is no external power connected to it. What they were getting at, is that inside it there are two dissimillar metals immersed in the water which form a circuit through an external conductor. In therory this would form a WEAK battery and is the principal employed in the lead acid batteries found in cars, bikes and many other applications. The point is however water is not very ionic and hence not much current will flow. Also not much oxygen and hydrogen will be liberated from the water. If this is what he wanted, then it would be better to connect the electrodes immersed in the water to an external source of electricity.

[SlashWylde]

Having said that, lets just suppose he manages to dissolve some hydrogen and oxygen in his 'water based fuel'. So what? There's not going to be enough chemical potential energy in the mix t run a stock internal combustion engine with carb mods.

My guess is he the whole show was just smoke and mirrors as a diversionary tactic, and he is adding something to the water, which may or may not make it combustible under certain circumstances.

[N4CR]

I'm sure those wires sparked or something or am I just hallucinating?

[k14]

I didn't really understand it back at school, but periodic tables are made up of like neutrons and shit in the nucleus and then how many electrons, what im thinking is it changes that stuff to make a different material/liquid or something through that process, basically making the water more volatile.

You can't do that very easily, if at all from just putting it in a little contraption and letting it bubble away. I know how all that stuff works mate, I've just finished a physics degree at uni. I can't see how it works and being a man of science I won't believe it until it is explained in a logical and scientific way (as I'm sure will many others).

I'm sure we will hear more about it, wonder how long till the patent is approved.

[SlashWylde]

From the language he used and when confronted by the University proffessor about his emmission test, he is a backyard amateur who knows a little bit about a little bit and thinks he has hit upon something big. So he applies for a patent and being a bit paranoid about threats to his life, hires himself some protection then secures some added insurance and short-lived fame by appearing on TV.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love for this to be for real and for some back-yard Kiwi bloke to revolutionise the worlds energy needs. But I have to veiw his claims with a great degree of scepticisim based on what we all saw.

Only time will tell...

[Mental Trousers]

Water doesn't need to compress. The bike uses a carburettor, which is used to mix air and a liquid.

Don't know if the water and oil do emulsify. Without knowing exactly what happens to the water, it's impossible to discount his claim that the hydrocarbons are actually from the lubricating oil.

Believe it or not, there are fuels you can do exactly what he did with the paper cup. On a good day, Diesel will do exactly that.

Why not a motorbike?? It shows off everything making it harder for anyone to claim there's hidden bits - but not impossible of course. A bike also has a relatively small engine. You can wheel the bike into the lounge and work on it even. And a slap together car just doesn't look anywhere near as good as a naked bike.

Ice forms only if it's actually water. If it's been modified by whatever process he puts it through then who knows what it is and what it'll do when it's cooled. Electrolysis does seperate the hydrogen and oxygen that makes up water. But what one of those experts was saying is that he's never seen anyone use water as a storage medium for the hydrogen that's been seperated out. If that is what is happening, then that's pretty farken trick. Also, note that she only drank the water BEFORE it went into the whatsit. She didn't after it came out and he never suggested she do so, which tends to imply that it's not pure water anymore. And as speights_bud points out, the guy claims it's a "water based fuel".

15c a litre?? Pass. Won't know how that works out until he reveals the entire process to the world and people who know what they're talking about get to run the numbers.

I thought the wires sparked too tristank, although many years spent consuming Absolut can cause hallucinations.

Personally, I'm sure there is a way to use water as a fuel. If this guy hasn't figured it out, I'm sure someone will eventually.