60minutes tonight (tv3)! (17 October 2005)

[speights_bud]

I don't know whether he didnt know alot or was being really paranoid about telling anyone anything about it, sounds like he didnt really know much by the way he described 'i was talking to people less then 45 mins ago... blah blah blah' and how his theory of ' the people with uni degrees dont achieve anything because they think they know the boundaries. Good on him if it works and everything, but its not a 'Water powered engine' it does contain more than that in fuel. Another point, how much of the stuff are we going to cart around to run the thing? if water has less chemical energy in it than the hydrocarbons should that not mean it would need more fuel to burn?

[N4CR]

I'm sure we will hear more about it, wonder how long till the patent is approved.

Should sort men from the boys. A Patent has to WORK and be proven to be given out. When/IF it is given out we should know all the details on how to do it.

Nice to see you are doing physics... I pulled out end of first semester

[Monsterbishi]

The emissions results:
CO: 7.39%
CO2: 2.5%
HC: 1234ppm
O2: Nil/Not Connected

That's fairly average results for a petrol powered bike of that age.

tristank - yeah, you were hallucinating, definately no spark.

[raster]

I guess we'll have to wait and see HA!

[zooter]

Hmmm, internal combustion engine? What's burning here? Now I know you can do the paper cup test with alcohol and it wil fail to reach flashpoint, but why boast about it? Better to show it flaming away...but of course it can't cause it's only water and the guy is a conman. Where did the carbon come from, probably a secret stash of oldfashioned hydrocarbon or alchohol, or was the exhaust anylysing guy in the pocket of big oil???

[N4CR]

" or was the exhaust anylysing guy in the pocket of big oil???"

Thats what I'm scared about... when things like this come around e.g. back yard hydrogen tech etc you don't hear much more about weather they worked or not.

No better way to disreputate someone with paid science - happens alot.

Another thing... that tester thing looked pretty dirty, surely they would clean them before sticking them up a pipe (it was sooty black..)

[oldrider]

I like these stories. There have been many over my lifetime. They arouse hope and excitement.
See how many posts WINJA has made on this, he's excited. We all are.
We don't have to believe it but we can hope.
I loved his little crack at the Establishment, had he gone through orthodox channels he could not have achieved anything, they would have prevented it.
I was very pleased he used a motorcycle, doesn't matter which one.
He reminded me of Spankme's photo, sharp black pressed trou and braces. Imaculate groomed hairstyle. Any relation Spankme?
Hope he is not a con, its fun. Cheers John.

[myvice]

Well you can use water with your fuel under the right conditions, e.g.; under load at high revs with a turbo/super charger you use water injection to control detonation.
But he wasn’t doing that, you can also split water with a laser at a certain frequency, but I don’t think it would be practical.
Using a DC charge to split it would take too long to generate enough hydrogen/oxygen for an instant fuel.
If you could atomise the droplets small enough and with enough compression you might be able to get it to run like a diesel as water will burn if you get it hot enough.
Like about 1200+ deg C.
So probably not on a bike!
Missed the program, would like to find out more tho...
It would make a very powerful fuel.

[Racey Rider]

I didn't see him doing any wheeles on it! Seemed to have No real power at all.

But you guys go put water in your bikes if you want.

Will reduce demand for petrol, and lower the price for petrol in My bike!

[Monsterbishi]

Another scam he could be pulling is a insurance one, build up some public interest that can be used in lieu of actual monetary value, then have a accident where the technology is destroyed or stolen to claim a chunky payout.

[geoffm]

LIQUAD PETROL DOES NOT COMPRESS EITHER

Correct - but it is not liquid petrol you are feeding into the engine - it is mist with lots of air. More to the point - it burns, changing to a gas + heat, increasing in volume and making things happen. Sure you can do that with water - if you have a boiler and steam injectors...

I remain to be convinced. Been a while since I did thermodynamics, but it looks a bit dodgy to me. When I saw the bit in the TV listings, I thought it might have been hydrogen power. nothing new there, but inefficient - you get less energy out than you put in, and it has other problems of safety and energy density.

I find it difficult to believe his magic box can transmogrify water into anything useful, unless it is altered with a fermentable sugar, and carefully boiled... If you use electrolysis on water, you get hydrogen and oxygen - in a perfectly stoichometric explosive mix without careful separation. Neither are particuarly soluble in water, and even if they were, it would escape again with movement or temperature (think soda water). The water would be an inert carrier, reducing the efficiency of this magic, tasteless, coulourless brew.

The only thing missing was the magnets on the fuel line...
Geoff

[2wheels in Red Beach]

This guy is taking the piss out of TV3. ..............He seems to have a smirk on his face when he is talking to the interviewer He just wants his 15 mins of fame.

[TwoSeven]

FYI: Bike built to run on water.

The french produce a car that runs on water. So I suspect someone finally thought about applying it to a bike.

[geoffm]

Don't forget, AFAIK, you don't need to prove the scientific validity to get a patent. He presumebly has applied for a provisional patent at present.

MTrousers - regarding diesel - you won't get a 350 goose to run on diesel for very long. Something about the 20:1 compression for a comrepssion ignition engine. Even kerosine would be an ask, due to the compression ratio, and poor octane rating (anti knock) of the fuel. Some old tractors used to run on the stuff - but they had a 6-1 compression ratio. They also required to be running on petrol before switching to kero, as the wouldn't start on it otherwise.
I would like to be wrong, but my bullshit detector was pegged on the red.
Geoff

[flash]

First, there was no spark, i was looking for one esspecially

second, seeing the ads got be a little giddy but so does a couple of beers. The most important thing you guys should be looking at is THE GUY, he just had the look of a con, call me stereotyping...?








i dont care he just does

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