60minutes tonight (tv3)! (17 October 2005)

[WINJA]

Correct - but it is not liquid petrol you are feeding into the engine - it is mist with lots of air. More to the point - it burns, changing to a gas + heat, increasing in volume and making things happen. Sure you can do that with water - if you have a boiler and steam injectors...

I remain to be convinced. Been a while since I did thermodynamics, but it looks a bit dodgy to me. When I saw the bit in the TV listings, I thought it might have been hydrogen power. nothing new there, but inefficient - you get less energy out than you put in, and it has other problems of safety and energy density.

I find it difficult to believe his magic box can transmogrify water into anything useful, unless it is altered with a fermentable sugar, and carefully boiled... If you use electrolysis on water, you get hydrogen and oxygen - in a perfectly stoichometric explosive mix without careful separation. Neither are particuarly soluble in water, and even if they were, it would escape again with movement or temperature (think soda water). The water would be an inert carrier, reducing the efficiency of this magic, tasteless, coulourless brew.

The only thing missing was the magnets on the fuel line...
Geoff

MY POINT IS ITS A LIQUID THAT IS ATOMIZED

[SlashWylde]

I remembered seeing the following story in the news last month:

http://www.platinum.matthey.com/medi...128006001.html

this could be a bit more promising...

[Mental Trousers]

MTrousers - regarding diesel - you won't get a 350 goose to run on diesel for very long. ...

Yep. Point was that there are fuels that are widely used that won't combust if you put them in a cup. I just used diesel as an example. However, there are others that I could have used.

[Motu]

Didn't see it,but sounds like the ''Joe Cell'',there was a shit load about them in Nexus mag a few years ago,I got some plans around here somewhere.....

About the mechanic - a top tech from any car franchise would be a 100x better tech than the best bike tech you could find...they get put through factory training programs the bike guys,and me,can only dream about.

[Krayy]

Anyone remember the classic Billy T James sketch where he had a VW that ran on water? Problem is you had to drive next to a river to keep it going, and it created a rooster-tail out the back

[SlashWylde]

Assuming this thing on TV tonight is a complete con it really pisses me off, because it detracts from and debases the worthy contributions made by ingenious Kiwis to developing alternative fuels and sustainable energy. I know a few people who work in this feild, some green-minded people who have developed a simple but efficient micro-hydro or wind generation system and others who have defied accepted wisdom and developed highly efficient power-dense inverter systems.

When young dumb glamour seekers, like this guy appears to be, come along and get a spot on the TV it casts a shadow of doubt over the whole concept of sustainable energy, and the public at large develop a heightened sense of scepticisim to such concepts - "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" springs to mind.

Oh well....

[notme]

Free energy, Slash! Energy from the vacuum! Really!

This is a hoax, plain and simple. What sucks is how people like this guy are so opportunistic - petrol is expensive right now, he's out to make a quick buck. Sad.

[Jantar]

I find it difficult to believe his magic box can transmogrify water into anything useful, unless it is altered with a fermentable sugar, and carefully boiled...

Most water already contains a very dangerous but also usefull chemical. See this earlier thread. http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...highlight=dhmo

[Motu]

The good old Joe Cell ,it's been around for years....you can make your own easy....

[nicmotors]

Sure maybe there was water put into the tank, however you can still burn water if it is mixed with enough methelated spirits...
It's a good trick to know if some clown chucks some water in ya tank at a party or a pesky kid does... also 'The Rock' radio station managed to drive a car a few hundred kilimeters on a water meths mix...
Hoax or truth, it's all good food for thought...

[TwoSeven]

Both honda and renult have demonstrated water powered cars. Back in the 40s someone built an electrolytic carb which did almost the same thing.

Here is a link to the UK press releases for the british version.

http://www.invest.uktradeinvest.gov....PoweredCar.cfm

[avgas]

Actually come to think about it - he broke a perfectly good bike.
That thing really didnt want to start.
All filled with hopes, dreams and kittens

[Brian d marge]

Imagine that,,a bike that ran on water ,,,,I could finally find a use for all that canterbury draught ,,,

Mind you me enfield runs on a smell of an oily rag,,,,

Stephen

[Lou Girardin]

it can't run on water, water will not compress so when the piston comes up, something will break...

He said the only thing he changed was something in the carby...

Petrol does the same. You're just not supposed to fill the cylinder/s to the brim. A little squirt will do.

[James Deuce]

It's a repeat of the hoax that went about in the mid-'70s during the last big oil crisis where a Canterbury farmer claimed to have modified his EH Holden to run on water, and was shown filling up from a drain on his property.