60minutes tonight (tv3)! (17 October 2005)

[thealmightytaco]

The man is a crock. If he's got the same emissions as a normal petrol engine he's burning some form of hydrocarbon, probably an alcohol or something, cause water has no carbon to burn to make CO2 in your emissions, gotta be something else int here. And if he was burning oil he'd have alot more C and CO's than CO2's in there, cause that stuff doesn't burn so good, hence the blue plumes.

Crock I tell you, crock.

[Pixie]

The thing that amazes me is that virtually nothing was revealed in that show, yet people are willing to either believe it or, just as bad, totally disbelieve it. But there's a complete lack of evidence either way.

Scientific knowledge is incomplete. Every single day there are new scientific discoveries made that are continually adding to our knowledge of the Universe. Nobody can say with any certainty that it's a fabrication or not until the process (or lack of one) is opened up to the public and dissected. Maybe this guy has actually stumbled on something. But then again, maybe he is taking everyone for a ride.

I *hope* there is a way to use water as fuel, but whether this guy has cracked it or not will have to wait until the process is revealed (or not).

Come on!
I can assure you there will not be any "discovery" in the future that will allow the burning of water.
Not unless the whole quantum structure of the universe changes.

[riffer]

I already told you: Who's on first, Watt's on second

It would appear that the sardonic wit of the Marx brothers is far ffrom appreciated or even understood by some of our esteemed fellow bikers....

[James Deuce]

Abbott & Costello

[Ghost Lemur]

It would appear that the sardonic wit of the Marx brothers is far ffrom appreciated or even understood by some of our esteemed fellow bikers....

I thought it was Abbot and Costello?

[Zapf]

Nah what I meant was in terms of electrolysing then getting hydrogen out, cooling the mix back down and then warming up, somehow makes the water components (H and O) more prone to seperating in the combustion chamber. Might do some shit like when you get electrons moving around shells and stuff... 6th form physics here >_<

I really don't know lol... just a stab in the dark.

in electrolysing. you add electrons in the form of electricity to the H2O, as the bond between H and O is an electron bond. Giving them extra electrons seprate them. How does warming and cooling affects the electron bond? cooling will take enengy away from the H2O and may lower amount of power needed but I don't see how you can make power from all these process again.

[Zapf]

Well you can use water with your fuel under the right conditions, e.g.; under load at high revs with a turbo/super charger you use water injection to control detonation.
But he wasn’t doing that, you can also split water with a laser at a certain frequency, but I don’t think it would be practical.
Using a DC charge to split it would take too long to generate enough hydrogen/oxygen for an instant fuel.
If you could atomise the droplets small enough and with enough compression you might be able to get it to run like a diesel as water will burn if you get it hot enough.
Like about 1200+ deg C.
So probably not on a bike!
Missed the program, would like to find out more tho...
It would make a very powerful fuel.

water will burn? what does it combine with and what is the result product? just interested....

[F5 Dave]

I remember James Watt made an engine that ran on water as well. It was a while ago though....I think in late 1800s.
He got quite a bit of horsepower from that water-fuelled engine.

Talking of water perhaps there is something in that Tui that has affected your ability to think.

Water fuelled steam engine pah! So they just carried that coal around to keep the stokers busy during the trip?

[avgas]

Ok, I'm not (intentionally) glamour seeking myself here, but think about this:

I AM one of the people SlashWylde mentions above - my company has developed power electronics systems that are essential to utilise the localised energy generation capacity that Bartman10 talks about, with the source being the "clean" micro-hydro, wind, solar etc that SlashWylde talks about.

Now here's the bit to think about. We have gone thru almost 10 years of trying to get funding to develop this technology further, and been stymied at every attempt. Oh sure we get little bits here and there from TBG schemes and stuff....but given as little as $500k, we could develop this technology to a point where NZ is a world leader in sustainable energy technology.

Wanna know what we have been doing recently instead?

The biggest market for the technology so far has been China. They have bought approx $1.5million worth of our product, thru government sponsored initiatives, and are bringing in a frickin LAW (just found that out this morning!) that says every new structure that meets certain criteria built in the Jiang-Su province MUST have our little boxes installed.

NZ wants to be clean and green, and yet there is bugger all money for people like us who can help with that, and i mean HELP in an immediate, real way - not with snake oil and hype.

So when I see people like this guy being given publicity, money (was probly paid to be on TV with his "invention") etc it just PISSES ME OFF.

End of rant....sorry!

Know how you feel man. NZ isnt a green country - we just think we are, government policy wise (and funding), we are worse then Europe or Japan.
Been to see a few of these 'Green Invention' presentations. The strange thing is, if they had some kind of great invention. They wouldnt try and sell shares etc before the patent went through. As the share price would easily be below 50% of the value after the patent went through. The inventor is better off getting think-tank funds, either from a think-tank provider, or bank loan etc.
Its the easiest way to tell a scam.
That and the fact that you use dodgey crocodile clips on your 'magic box'.

[CBRAero]

Yes this thread is old, but incase someone hasn't seen the 60 minutes article and would like to it can be found at

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=0JL6PRJ9

[zeRax]

that just links to some sluts, which is ok, but i kinda wanna see the 60 mins thing aswell....

[zeRax]

loaded it again and it comes up with the thing now :P will get it later, thanks dude

[Mr. Peanut]

Alkali metals and water make hydrogen - theres so many ways you could fake it.

Check this out - http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...tals+and+water

[CBRAero]

Yeah, I don't know what thats all about. Load it again, as you say, or click the continue button and it works.


As far as what Steve Ryan claims to have done; To have modified the molecular structure of water to allow it to drive an engine in the manner he describes contradicts every current mainstream scientific idea or law, be it physics, chemistry etc...

However, will some ideas presented today which appear fantastic now nevertheless be science fact in the future? Absolutely. Thats the nature of science. People are far to sure of themselves and what they know, what is possible and what is not. Steve Ryan did make one very good point. He hasn't been educated in what is possible and what is not, thereby allowing him to experiment with things 'educated' people would scoff at and never even try as they already 'know' its impossible. While it may be possible to 'train' water to behave as he says, its still more likely to be a big confidence scam. Unfortunately.

[Mr. Peanut]

Consider this, whether or not it is possible, it got him some attention didn't it?

It's 100% Bullshit, I promise.