Now, you can't say this isn't rape

[SARGE]

Nope. Says so right HERE
I guess a bit more with ORC and stuff.
Not your fancy then?
To quote:
A New Zealand Motorcycling Icon

New Zealand’s favourite commuter from the 80s is back and it’s in fashion again. The return of an icon!

Thousands of Kiwi’s over the years have learnt to ride and/or commuted daily on a GN250. The GN250 provides economical, easy to ride, no fuss commuting that is incredible value for money. And it comes complete with a 12 month factory warranty.

Find why the GN250 has been for so long and still continues to be a firm Kiwi favourite, contact your local Suzuki Dealer today.

Sounds pretty f*ing good for the money I'd say

Suzuki just raised the prices on the GN's to $3300..on Oct 1...


supply / demand..

[John]

I'd agree. Buying them in Japan can't be that expensive. Eg 4k and then sell them for 1.5k profit after doing seals and fixing carbs for a total of 6~k etc etc.

they dont fix shit. Yet to hear of a good 250 bike from a shop yet.

[Badcat]

250s are too expensive!
dealers are all profiteering wankers!
helmets are at 60% profit!

oh, for FUCKS SAKE.
if you don't like the prices, dealers, margins...

Don't shop there!
quit whining, you're sounding like a bunch of children overdue their naptime and mr blanky.

if you don't pay those prices that are so BAD....
you'll actually affect the demand and supply balance.
bitch, and you'll just get an ulcer.

personally, i think used bikes are far too expensive at dealers.
so i don't buy them there.

i buy them elsewhere, and congratulate myself on the killer bike i got while they command more at retail...
see, look on the bright side, ya fairies.

Ken

[SuperDave]

Well I love my ZXR which only set me back $2500. I'd have to agree that some of the prices for 15 year old 250's are ridiculously high. What did these bikes even sell for new when they came out?

[John]

Well I love my ZXR which only set me back $2500. I'd have to agree that some of the prices for 15 year old 250's are ridiculously high. What did these bikes even sell for new when they came out?

at current inflation I would estimate a new ZXR would cost close to 14/+k

[SuperDave]

I want to know how much they cost when they were first made, Ie what did a new ZXR250 cost in 1990?

[Back Fire]

i sold that one.. i'll sell this one too..$6995 anywhere in Auckland is gonna get you a "decent" CBR250rr

...

i will give anyone who comes in the same basic service. some get more but none get less. ask some of the people who i have sold a bike to what i am like to deal with and im sure it will be 99% positive.

no way in hell anyone can please everyone all the time.

I got a fecking brilliant deal on my bike, still stocked bout it. If YOU say that its bottom price on a bike already I would take YOUR word for it... you and Mark are the only vehicle salesman I trust.

[John]

I want to know how much they cost when they were first made, Ie what did a new ZXR250 cost in 1990?

If I remeber correctly we only ever got grey imports only some NEW ones made it to australia.

[SARGE]

I'd agree. Buying them in Japan can't be that expensive. Eg 4k and then sell them for 1.5k profit after doing seals and fixing carbs for a total of 6~k etc etc.
edit: or 3k purchase, tyres/touching up and then the profit is only eaten into if the seals die or carbs go dead in warranty period (or whatever else can usually happen).
My bike sucked tyres, discs, carbs, seals from the shop under warranty.

yup... $4000 bike in Japan from a whoesaler/ auction
add about $200 for disassembling, draining ALL the fluids ( cant ship by water with any oil/ antifreeze/ acid etc)
add $75 per bike for the container.
add $50 / bike for pre-export paperwork checks - stolen/ money owed
add $50 / bike for Import paperwork
add $50 for MAF certs
add $300 for compliance
add at least $300 for reassemble/ service / groom for showroom
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$5025.. following me so far?

subtract 12.5% GST off final sale price ie - $6995 - 12.5% = $875

that $4000 bike just turned into a $6000 bike with a retail of $6995..leaving room for " is that your best price?"


but i'm getting rich off them..

YEA RIGHT

[SARGE]

I got a fecking brilliant deal on my bike, still stocked bout it. If YOU say that its bottom price on a bike already I would take YOUR word for it... you and Mark are the only vehicle salesman I trust.

mate .. your family buys enough bikes off me to qualify for a volume discount...lol


did i punch your buy 10 get one free card ?

[SPORK]

Thanks for that breakdown, Sarge!

But what about when you're getting bikes off people trading them in? Surely you'd get a lot more profit from those ones, eh?

[SARGE]

Thanks for that breakdown, Sarge!

But what about when you're getting bikes off people trading them in? Surely you'd get a lot more profit from those ones, eh?

trade in's are a whole other nightmare..

depends on how much changeover you want.. i have to move numbers around to make the books work.. i may only want to pay $2000 for your bike, but YOU want $3000.. if i can get that price form the boss, i have to have a margin to write back...

i may give you your $3k, but when they bike comes into the stock.. it owes me $2.5k..

i dont pull that $500 outta thin air.


best bet on getting the best return from your trade - keep your service history.. that is critical

get an ownership history from the LTSA and bring it in with you.

make sure you have all the bits with it ( owners manual, tool kit, warranty transfer papers if that applies)

WASH YOUR BIKE!!! oil and adjust the chain, take the PORN STAR / DICKIES stickers off the fairings and fix that broken indicator..



you guys wanted to know how we do it .. thats pretty much how it works.. we do NOT make huge margins in our bikes.. we rely on selling HEAPS of them to keep the lights on..

thankfully there are a few exeptions when i really can make a few $$ on a bike and everyone comes out smiling in the end.. rare but it happens

[Ixion]

In the normal course of events, 250s would be like the GN. Simple, cheap , commuter bikes, emphasising economy, reliability, simplicity, cheapness. Not 200kph levels of speed . Because someone wanting a powerful fast bike would get a larger one. There's no substitute for cubes. And, indeed, that was pretty much the position with 250s when I was a learner.

A government then decided that novice motorcylists should be restricted to a maximum of 250cc. They assumed that the 250s would be like those around at the time . Simple, cheap , commuter bikes, emphasising economy, reliability, simplicity, cheapness. Not 200kph levels of speed .

And they thought that learners should concentrate on LEARNING, and aquiring safe road skills, and experience, before they embarked on machines capable of 200kph.

But, you guys who are complaining didn't want to run with that. You wanted 200kph the first day you sat in the saddle. and, markets being what they are, someone found the answer. 250cc machines that would do 200kph.

But there arent that many of them. Anywhere in the world. So now there's a lot of young chaps chasing those few machines. And either no new ones at all (cos the market just isn't big enough globally - chances of selling them in the States? zilch); or new ones cost as much as 600s. Cos, think about it. What difference, in terms of manufacturing cost, is there between a 4 cylinder race replica 250, and a 4 cylinder race replica 600. A bit less metal on the barrels, maybe a bit of saving in lighter componentry. Naff all really. A race replica 250 costs about as much to build as a race replica 600.

So, they're going to be dear.

If you dont like that - buy a simple, cheap , commuter bike, emphasising economy, reliability, simplicity, cheapness. Not 200kph levels of speed . $3500 brand new. Can't wait till you've got your full for that 200kph fix? Then pay up like any other junky and stop whinging. And stop bad mouthing the guys who cater to your impatience.

[John]

Then pay up like any other junky and stop whinging. And stop bad mouthing the guys who cater to your impatience.

Actually not to be rude, I dont care or anything but I beg to differ as I remember you "whinging" about 250s in another thread ages ago.

Who gives a shit - most 250s that people buy from shops need thousands of dollars of work to be safe for the road anyway.

[Ixion]

Actually not to be rude, I dont care or anything but I beg to differ as I remember you "whinging" about 250s in another thread ages ago.

Who gives a shit - most 250s that people buy from shops need thousands of dollars of work to be safe for the road anyway.

To clarify. I think that , because of the learner rules, 250s are now priced at a level that is detrimental to beginners taking up motorcycling. I deplore this, because I would like lots of people getting into biking. So I'd like lots of cheap (< $1000) bikes for real beginners. In a less artificial market a 3 or 4 year old GN250 would be down around the $1000 - 1500, and 15 year old bikes, in reasonable nick would go for maybe $500. That would tempt a lot of people who hesitate (or are unable ) to spend $3000 - $5000.

But, it's not the pricing on GNs that people are claiming is rape. Its the pricing on race replicas. And my point is that if people want that 200kph, then they have to be prepared to pay for it. Bad mouthing people like Mr Sarge because demand has driven up prices is pointless and silly.

FWIW , I disagree with the whole "restricted to 250cc" deal. If it were abolished then the price of machines suitable for learner would come down, because the folk who must have the 200kph fix would start out on 600s or 1000s (may not survive very long, but that's their business).