Death toll on the roads is virtually identical to 2019

[FJRider]

Referring to my post above, you are correct. The 27% figure is wrong. Its far lower than reality.

So ... of those that have done riding courses ... that have been involved later in a motor vehicle accident ... is far higher than 27% ... ???

Ride Forever training is relatively new, having been introduced in 2012/2013. The 27% figure came from the riders who undertook training in the first few years. The new analysis is coming from the group that has taken part more recently.

So ... the earlier groups were less likely to be in an accident ... or ... are the figures based on recent course member statistics ... ???

Out of interest over 24000 individuals have taken part in Ride Forever courses to date. And 86% of them strongly recommend the course they took to their mates.

And what was it that 14 % didn't like .. ???

Its a case of people not knowing what they don't know. I'm not referring to people on KB, of course, as we are all awesomer than everyone else.

Like when people ride with their wheels in contact to the left of the centerline on a corner ... with themselves and their bike on the other side of the line ... they don't know it's dangerous .. ??

The one thing that has saved my butt on countless occasions is ... although I have "Right of way" ... I never assume I will GET (nor will I assert) right of way.

Most multi-vehicle accidents are caused due to "assumption of (or asserting) right of way" issues. And this is not just Motorcycle accidents I'm talking about.

[caspernz]

Almost ... but no Cigar

You're overthinking the topic and I took the liberty to simplify. I can't recall where to find the study stats from western Europe...

Advanced rider training creates, in simplistic terms, two groups.

Riders who now think more about their riding and become safer.

Riders who use these new skills to go fast but lack the discipline to apply this extra speed potential wisely. Then crash at a higher speed.

So from where I sit, it really is that simple.

Feel free to over analyze

[Bonez]

BMW don't have any top line models at all

Ahhh such wise words from one so young.

Wonder how BMWs super duper indestructable motorcycle final drive chain is doing?

[rastuscat]

So ... of those that have done riding courses ... that have been involved later in a motor vehicle accident ... is far higher than 27% ... ???

And what was it that 14 % didn't like .. ???

The 14% may have not liked the instructor, may have not liked the advice given because it doesn't fit with their beliefs, any number of things.

I told a guy once that use of both brakes in various circumstances is a good idea. Learning which circumstances are appropriate to which brake is the key. He told me he'll only ever use the rear brake, as he came off when he last used the front brake.

You just can't help some people.

[release_the_bees]

The 14% may have not liked the instructor, may have not liked the advice given because it doesn't fit with their beliefs, any number of things.

I told a guy once that use of both brakes in various circumstances is a good idea. Learning which circumstances are appropriate to which brake is the key. He told me he'll only ever use the rear brake, as he came off when he last used the front brake.

You just can't help some people.

How'd that guy get on with the emergency braking practice?

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[pritch]

I told a guy once that use of both brakes in various circumstances is a good idea. Learning which circumstances are appropriate to which brake is the key. He told me he'll only ever use the rear brake, as he came off when he last used the front brake.

Was this dude on a Harley? This isn't intended to be a dig at riders of Milwaukee's finest. It's just that I've seen reference in US texts to Harley riders relying on the rear brake.

[rastuscat]

Was this dude on a Harley? This isn't intended to be a dig at riders of Milwaukee's finest. It's just that I've seen reference in US texts to Harley riders relying on the rear brake.

M109, actually. And yes, the big cruiser crowd often rely on the rear, due to the weight distribution of those things.

Which exposes them to risk in an emergancy stop situation. If their habit is to only use the rear, the black mark leading to the point of impact will tell a story.

[Calix Lee]

I am extra careful whenever I drive my motorbike.

[Laava]

I am extra careful whenever I drive my motorbike.

Lol!
I am imagining you tootling the horns melodiously.

[frogfeaturesFZR]

Lol!
I am imagining you tootling the horns melodiously.

And avoiding the skid demon

[SaferRides]

I told a guy once that use of both brakes in various circumstances is a good idea. Learning which circumstances are appropriate to which brake is the key. He told me he'll only ever use the rear brake, as he came off when he last used the front brake.

You just can't help some people.

The R1 came with the rear disc past the wear limit and a set of organic pads in the front callipers. Not an ideal setup for a sportsbike.

[rastuscat]

The R1 came with the rear disc past the wear limit and a set of organic pads in the front callipers. Not an ideal setup for a sportsbike.

Yes, but organic pads will at least keep Julie Anne Genter happy, and let's face it, that's what matters.

[roogazza]

I was out for my weekly fang yesterday . Just sitting puffing on my cigar and a fellow rocked up and started talking bikes (he apparently had a 1200 Bonneville)..
He was looking at my beast with its 320 double front discs .

The next statement explained what sort of rider I was chatting to." why don't they put those doubles on the back,I never use the front brakes !!!!!!!!!!) Fuck me !! I was shocked !

I suggested he do some sort of course. 63 yrs old, I am surprised he made it that far >>

So yes ,they are out there .

[rastuscat]

I was out for my weekly fang yesterday . Just sitting puffing on my cigar and a fellow rocked up and started talking bikes (he apparently had a 1200 Bonneville)..
He was looking at my beast with its 320 double front discs .

The next statement explained what sort of rider I was chatting to." why don't they put those doubles on the back,I never use the front brakes !!!!!!!!!!) Fuck me !! I was shocked !

I suggested he do some sort of course. 63 yrs old, I am surprised he made it that far >>

So yes ,they are out there .

I bet if you asked him if he considered learning how to use the brakes properly, he would tell you he's got by without having to know, so why does he need to learn.

One day, some tosser will pull out in front of him, I can guess how that'll go.

[F5 Dave]

Last time I used them I went over the handlebars!,!!
Well I guess that was on my pushbike but Shoot, same thing.