Motorcycle Manufacters Castrating/Historectimising Motorcyclists for $$$$$

**sugilite:Me** · 10th November 2023, 08:57

I guess the fight back is likely too late and it gets accepted into normalcy. It would take the heads of marque specific facebook groups/forums etc to coordinate a campaign of sustained pressure on their respective manufacturers to bring about change.

Just imagine a world with motorcycles being controlled like 3 in one printers are these days. Run out of ink, and the scanning gets disabled. "I'm sorry sir, your helmet is one day past it's expiry date, access to motorcycle - denied, but do feel free to sit on it in the garage and make broom broom sounds.".

**R650R** · 10th November 2023, 09:08

How about we get the tech world motivated to make complete aftermarket ECU’s for ahem racing use.
I’m sure none of the data is encrypted strong enough for the right minds to not be able to do it.
I’ve seen a guy pull a complete ecu read of a bmw car and even write/clone the internal vin/ID into a new generic aftermarket ecu so it’s doable.

**pete376403** · 10th November 2023, 11:05

Originally Posted by R650R

How about we get the tech world motivated to make complete aftermarket ECU’s for ahem racing use.
I’m sure none of the data is encrypted strong enough for the right minds to not be able to do it.
I’ve seen a guy pull a complete ecu read of a bmw car and even write/clone the internal vin/ID into a new generic aftermarket ecu so it’s doable.

the mind that are smart enough to that sort of thing are probably after a more profitable target, such as cracking bank encryption

**onearmedbandit** · 10th November 2023, 11:18

Cracking ECU's is easy enough that there are multiple places in NZ that can do this. Cracking bank encryption though....yeah not so much

**george formby** · 10th November 2023, 18:55

Originally Posted by R650R

How about we get the tech world motivated to make complete aftermarket ECU’s for ahem racing use.
I’m sure none of the data is encrypted strong enough for the right minds to not be able to do it.
I’ve seen a guy pull a complete ecu read of a bmw car and even write/clone the internal vin/ID into a new generic aftermarket ecu so it’s doable.

Getting your ECU "flashed" to remove a 4000rpm flat spot, correct lean running or liberate more horsepower with a new pipe is common practice. But that is purely the engine management / FI side of things.

I suspect the firmware for anti wheelie, no slidey slidey is a whole different kettle of pixies. No doubt some 12 year old is all over it but then we have to consider stuff like autonomous braking, cruise control, lidar etc. Getting it wrong could be lethal.

And if it does go wrong after fiddling where would we stand with insurance and the legal aspect of causing an accident due to riding an unsafe bike? Will the electronics on vehicles become a bigger part of the WoF process? An ABS warning light is currently a fail.

**Grumph** · 10th November 2023, 19:25

Originally Posted by george formby

And if it does go wrong after fiddling where would we stand with insurance and the legal aspect of causing an accident due to riding an unsafe bike? Will the electronics on vehicles become a bigger part of the WoF process? An ABS warning light is currently a fail.

Undoubtedly they will become an integral part of the WOF test. ATM they aren't - but only because no-one's written them into the regs.
What worries me is that the easy way will be taken - a fault light will be a fail. No effort to actually test the functions.

We're already looking back on the golden age of motorcycling.

**Gremlin** · 10th November 2023, 20:16

Originally Posted by rastuscat

Or buy a BMW R1250GSA for a gaziliion dollars, then farkle the feck out of it with Touratech or Wunderlich bits.

Kind of disappointing. But it's a strategy to empty our pockets. Hardly surprising, when you consider that companies exist to make money. They aren't a social service.

Just look at any brand that has a model that has a street variant along with the adventure variant (KTM Duke vs Adventure, BMW R1250 GS vs R/RS etc). The adventure variant is comfortably more expensive. Manufacturers figured this out a while ago...
The new R1300GSA (when announced next year) is going to be past $50k, if the R1300GS is $46k (depending on model etc).

My 1090R was lighter than the 1190R (plus upgraded suspension etc). Half the weight loss was the centre stand (which you paid to put back on) - the R1300GS in some variants also does away with the centre stand being stock.