the group thing is a bit of a double edged sword - too structured to sheer chaos - dont expect too much from them, use them to find like-minded types or ride solo, sparking-it with other fuct-up types you find along the way
i rode with a group from the netherlands for years, a loose-knit bunch, about 15 or so, never more than 6 riding, had a day plan flexible enough that any 1 or more could split off and meet later ... all experienced riders capable of road-side repairs ... the major hurdle is personality-need a bit of wind to sort out the chaff
i have enjoyed many Distinguished Gentlemens rides in various cities - although these tend to be relaxed but structured, you take your chances with the egos - generally kool bikes and a good mix of people, done charity sidecar rides for kids etc, all in good fun but is hard work-need a good 200km solo run after to wind down, "club" rides are simply ego-strokes
get a lot of bikes through here now, esp weekends, they can be a nuisance in the forest, too fast and the dicks forget that wheels in the left lane doesnt mean their heads are (ive started collecting points)
mostly more than 2-3 riders, esp on narrow nzl roads, is a cluster-fukking, road-hogging one-way to hell
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