whose to blame here

[neels]

The drivers action initiated the event. The rider's actions caused the outcome.

The driver has failed to see a group of riders in grey riding in and out of the shade from the trees, or not recognised how fast they were travelling, so a misjudgement on their part.

The cyclist in this case appears to have grabbed a handful of his probably very high spec front brake, tripped over his own feet and then been clipped from behind. The result of this is he's launched himself over the handlebars, while his riding companions have all managed to stay upright.

If he'd taken the 10 minutes required to insure his bike, then his insurance company would take up the fight to pay for the damage, if it was deemed the car driver was at fault.

As previously posted maybe a fine is in order for the driver for the unsafe driving, but the cause of any damage was the cyclist reacting poorly and throwing themselves down the road, so the cost of their actions rests with them.

I've had a few occasions when cycling where cars have pulled out in front of me, fortunately at worst I've ended up is leaning on the side of theiir car looking in the window at a startled driver, but have managed to not panic grab the brakes and create my own accident before even getting to the car.

The safety messaging has been around for a long time, make yourself visible, ride to the conditions, the bigger the speed the bigger the mess.

[rastuscat]

I'll never forget the time, as a learner, religiously sticking to the 50 km/h speed limit, only to be overtaken by a bunch of cyclists whilst riding down a steep hill.



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Go sit on Hackthorne Road, Cashmere, Christchurch, any weekend.

Not a single cyclist sticks to the speed limit down there. When the road cycling nationals were there a few years ago, cyclists were doing 90+ kmh down that hill.

Legally, as there was a road closure in place for the event.

[Racing Dave]

Go sit on Hackthorne Road, Cashmere, Christchurch, any weekend.

Not a single cyclist sticks to the speed limit down there. When the road cycling nationals were there a few years ago, cyclists were doing 90+ kmh down that hill.

Legally, as there was a road closure in place for the event.

Funnily enough, in pre-Demerit Points days, and when an RD250LC was the weapon of choice (1981?), that was the speed I was ticketed for on that same road.

[F5 Dave]

Yesterday I was approaching a roundabout with a decent hill to wind up to warp 8 and a cyclist wearing less than a Hottie at a nightclub stormed through with a very serious expression on his face.

Fuck I wouldn't enter a roundabout that fast in a car especially if you could see people approaching the other entries. We could have been texting or changing channels on the wireless. (Hey! There's no slot for my CD in this stereo!).

As an Instructor used to say "Great, they can put "I had the right of way" on your headstone'.

[pritch]

All the car driver is possibly guilty of is an improper manoeuvre or careless use, $150 fine at most.

Opening a car door in front of a cyclist cost the driver $10,000. That's a long way north of $150. This case isn't in court. It's in a disputes tribunal, a different beast.

[R650R]

I mentioned in another thread about cyclists using cellphones, well it’s happening often enough it’s been caught in epic style on dashcam.
Angry Lycra wearer on wrong side of road cellphone in hand head on into car. Starts just before six minute mark.
Followed up by non seatbelt wearer falling out of 4wd at roundabout, some sharp situational awareness and a bagger fails predictably in tight left up inside lane split.

[rastuscat]

"Great, they can put "I had the right of way" on your headstone'.

Might start using that one.

The one I use now is "being right doesn't mean much when you are lying in the back of an ambulance."

[F5 Dave]

Feel free. An Instructor mate used it on courses but hell this was over 30 years ago.

[BMWST?]

Feel free. An Instructor mate used it on courses but hell this was over 30 years ago.

used to talk about that 45 years ago as a riding instructor for beginners and more advanced courses

[onearmedbandit]

Mine is 'the hospital, morgue and cemetery are all full of people who were in the right'.

[F5 Dave]

used to talk about that 45 years ago as a riding instructor for beginners and more advanced courses

Topper

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Back 150 years ago before you were born, I used to etc blah blah. . . So there.
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[Gremlin]

He was right, dead right, as he sped along. He was right, dead right, as if he were wrong...

[R650R]

Be careful I haven’t any spare money for flowers my grandmother would say.