12 month warrants for 40 year plus vehicles

[jellywrestler]

but it seems motorcycles are not included

https://nzta.govt.nz/assets/consulta...mJ0nJdYCSl3Hkw

[R650R]

but it seems motorcycles are not included

https://nzta.govt.nz/assets/consulta...mJ0nJdYCSl3Hkw

Reading between the lines on that report I’d hazard a guess that older Mc in same category are not showing the same improvement in crash stats????
We know that ABS and other modern rider assists are improving safety whether we like them or not.
Perhaps the last thing we need is to be poking the govt into looking at which bikes are safer than others .

[BMWST?]

Veteran motor vehicles are those manufactured before 1 January 1919. Vintage motorvehicles are those manufactured on or after 1 January 1919 and are at least 40 yearsold on the date of being registered, reregistered, or licensed.

I bet there arent many 1919 manufactured motorcycles being ridden around. On the other hand if I am reading this correctly a newly registered gsxr 750 could be a vintage?

[neels]

but it seems motorcycles are not included

Given that this has come about with input from the NZ vintage car club I would be surprised if they would have overlooked motorcycles, given the large number owned by their members which are over 40 years old.

Looking at the legislation it would appear that motorcycles are a subset of motor vehicles, and clearly under 3500kg, so would therefore be included.

Rule amendment
Vintage motor vehicle has the same meaning as in the Land Transport (Motor Vehicle Registration and Licensing) Regulations 2011.

Land Transport (Motor Vehicle Registration and Licensing) Regulations 2011
vintage motor vehicle means a motor vehicle that—
(a) was manufactured on or after 1 January 1919; and
(b) is at least 40 years old on the date that it is registered, reregistered, or licensed.

Land Transport Act 1998
motor vehicle—
(a) means a vehicle drawn or propelled by mechanical power
motorcycle—
(a) means a motor vehicle running on 2 wheels, or not more than 3 wheels when fitted with a sidecar

So cautiously optimistic that it includes motorcycles......

Veteran motor vehicles are those manufactured before 1 January 1919. Vintage motorvehicles are those manufactured on or after 1 January 1919 and are at least 40 yearsold on the date of being registered, reregistered, or licensed.

I bet there aren't many 1919 manufactured motorcycles being ridden around.

Probably not on a daily basis given the lack of practicality of most of them, that's part of the reasoning behind the change, that many would only get used once or twice per wof check.

On the other hand if I am reading this correctly a newly registered gsxr 750 could be a vintage?

If it's registered or re-registered with it's correct year of manufacture over 40 years ago then yes.

[diesel pig]

I hope you are right. Neels, it would made my life a lot easier.

[Berries]

Reading between the lines on that report I’d hazard a guess that older Mc in same category are not showing the same improvement in crash stats????
We know that ABS and other modern rider assists are improving safety whether we like them or not.

I would be amazed to find any crash stats in NZ that show pre 1980's motorbikes to be an issue. In fact I will have a look over the next few days.

But, as BMWST pointed out, we are getting on the cusp of early GSXRs now and to be honest I would have an early one of those like a shot and would undoubtedly be more at risk of binning it than my current 'modern' ride.

[SaferRides]

I'd be interested to see if there's any difference between vehicles with 6 month WoFs and those with 12 month. I understood it was a compromise so that garages and testing stations didn't lose as much business, but why keep it going now?

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[neels]

I'd be interested to see if there's any difference between vehicles with 6 month WoFs and those with 12 month. I understood it was a compromise so that garages and testing stations didn't lose as much business, but why keep it going now?

I believe the research was done on the wof fail rate when the change was made to 12mth wofs for Y2000+ vehicles, and the same has been done now with 40+ year vehicles, the logic being that most pre-1985 cars would now be owned by enthusiasts so probably reasonably well maintained.

There will of course always be exceptions, to be fair I own one such vehicle that has definitely not been well maintained, but it's nice to see for once that the worst case isn't being used to justify an outcome that makes things more onerous for the majority.

It would be interesting to see the stats for 12mth wof vehicles now that the oldest of them are 25 years old, given the state of some of the beaten up shitboxes you see driving around town.

[SaferRides]

I believe the research was done on the wof fail rate when the change was made to 12mth wofs for Y2000+ vehicles, and the same has been done now with 40+ year vehicles, the logic being that most pre-1985 cars would now be owned by enthusiasts so probably reasonably well maintained.

There will of course always be exceptions, to be fair I own one such vehicle that has definitely not been well maintained, but it's nice to see for once that the worst case isn't being used to justify an outcome that makes things more onerous for the majority.

It would be interesting to see the stats for 12mth wof vehicles now that the oldest of them are 25 years old, given the state of some of the beaten up shitboxes you see driving around town.

1 January 2000 does not strike me as a date that was based on serious research.

I'm pleased for the owners of over 40 year old vehicles - it's just that I own a 1999 motorbike. Anyway, I take it to a place where the staff are friendly and stop for a coffee at the cafe down the road afterwards, so apart from the time and cost, it's a reasonably pleasant experience.

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[pritch]

Veteran motor vehicles are those manufactured before 1 January 1919. Vintage motorvehicles are those manufactured on or after 1 January 1919 and are at least 40 yearsold on the date of being registered, reregistered, or licensed.

I bet there arent many 1919 manufactured motorcycles being ridden around. On the other hand if I am reading this correctly a newly registered gsxr 750 could be a vintage?

It wouldn't have to be a new registration. Just registered or re registered and 40 ears old.

[BMWST?]

It wouldn't have to be a new registration. Just registered or re registered and 40 ears old.

understood...dunno why I put newly. I guess i figured it was a fresh import or something

[BMWST?]

I think the older vehicles on the road will be split into two main categories .
1) Generally well maintained vehicles that fail a warrant for a marginal tyre or a worn out suspension component which is promptly repaired and reinspected.
2) Vehicles that operate mostly without a warrant. Probably owned by someone who cant afford a 500 dollar surprise bill

[neels]

I think the older vehicles on the road will be split into two main categories .
1) Generally well maintained vehicles that fail a warrant for a marginal tyre or a worn out suspension component which is promptly repaired and reinspected.
2) Vehicles that operate mostly without a warrant. Probably owned by someone who cant afford a 500 dollar surprise bill

1) I suspect that's probably most vehicles, something marginal or that you don't notice while driving or can't see walking around the car checking the lights etc before you go to the WOF shop, or they identify which suspension bit that was making the annoying noise so you know what to fix.
2) That's a short term game, works until it's time to rego, then it won't let you with no WOF. You can put the rego on hold to add to the fines, unless you leave it 3 months (I think?) in which case you have to pay the back rego first, which you can't do because it doesn't have a WOF, so limps along until eventually automatically deregistered.

At least with vehicles over 40 years old you can pay the rego without a WOF, so they can be kept alive when parked up not being used for a while, or if they've done themselves a mischief and waiting to be fixed.